Talk:Saiga-12

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I removed the referance to "America's Army" as the Saiga-12 does not make an apearance in any version of the game. --Paulwharton

I changed the "shortcomings" section, which had previously stated that the Saiga-12 could not be loaded on a closed bolt. It's quite possible, if anyone would like to know how, leave a note on my talk page. As for the below, why is it not relevant for an encyclopedia? The opinions stated aren't relevant to the argument (and the Saiga-12 is not a "bigger caliber" than any other 12-guage). --rwjohnst

This Article is not relevant for an encyclopedia. I suggest the author moves it to a wiki for fans of fire arms. Further, this weapon is not good for anything but injuring/killing civilians. Shot guns for hunting don't need to be semi-automatic and have a bigger caliber and better effective range anyway. This weapon is only good for show-offs and other wankers. --braeutigam

Ah, but our very own page on the subject states that an encyclopedia "is a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge or a particular branch of knowledge"... While I'm here, would anyone be willing and able to come up with a good copylefted photo of the complete unit, rather than just the dismantled parts? --BobBQ 04:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm the original author and would be glad to provide complete photos of my gun. Sorry, I should have done this originally.

This encyclopedia has contained information on firearms since its inception, presumably because firearms have played an important role throughout modern history and in general human affairs for several centuries. This entry discusses a significant member of the shotgun family.

Regarding this comment "Further, this weapon is not good for anything but injuring/killing civilians." I would remind you that self-defense is a perfectly legitimate civilian activity. Additionally, the same reliability and ergonomics concerns that make it excellent for combat also make it an excellent hunting arm. You can buy capped off magazines for hunting waterfowl.

Beerslurpy 01:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh and youre correct about being able to reload on a closed bolt, but it is a pain in the ass and not something I would attempt under stress.

Beerslurpy 01:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, the Saiga-12 and Vepr-12 shotguns are made in Russia and exported worldwide. I removed some US specific verbiage about importation and if anyone can find any further ways to make this more globally relevant, please post it here.

Beerslurpy 01:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The article mentions which other calibres the Saiga line is availble in. While I know 7.62 NATO is nearly identical to .308, the product is chambered and marketed as a .308 but the article mentions 7.62. Should we change this to .308 (which links to 7.62 NATO) for the sake of accuracy?? Also is there any interrest in an article for the whole Saiga brand? GarrettJL 22:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article for the whole Siaga line?

I agree with GarrettJL; there should be an article referencing the whole Saiga line of rifles and shotguns. --Neo3DGfx 04:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a decent digital camera and I can take some pictures of a Saiga .223, external, action, etc. Whatever you guys need. Would be nice to get some more pictures of other calibres. The ones with wooden furniture are particularly photogenic. I would write the article myself, but I'm not much of a writer. If I did, it would need ALOT of work. GarrettJL 19:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I added the infobox along with some basic information. --Neo3DGfx

[edit] Micro-8

[Tromix] lead delivery systems uses the Saiga 12 as the base weapon for a line of short barreled shotguns. I think that someone should add them in someplace.--Paulwharton 10:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)