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[edit] Tenerife disaster

Thanks for working on the CVR/ATC transcript; the stuff you added is good. Lipsticked Pig 19:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aircraft names

The proper names for the Boeing 747 and Airbus A330 are Boeing B-747 and Airbus A-330. The manufaturer's initial must be stated in the aircraft name and must be seperated from the number like McDonnell Douglas MD-11 and the Edgley EA-7 Optica.

--202.95.200.12 02:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You are incorrect. The Airbus fleet does not refer to its plane as "A-" anything. Visit their website. Neither does Boeing. McDonnell Douglas has always hyphenated its planes (and Lockheed did with the L-1011), but that does not make this an industry standard. Boeing documents don't refer to the planes as Boeing 7X7; read this [1] if you don't believe me. Also, read this page. Where is your source for the statement that a manufacturer's initial MUST be stated in the aircraft name, and then hyphenated with model numbers? We use the terminology that is applied by the manufacturer. What does Boeing call its jumbo jet? The Boeing 747. When they commissioned the 777, they had the plane flying around in Boeing livery, and it said Boeing 777, not Boeing B-777. What does Airbus call its monster? The Airbus A380 [2]. What did Douglas call its city-hopper? The DC-9. We use those names because the manufacturers do. Do not revert edits that conform to standard practice in this fashion, unless you can PROVE that you are correct with verifiable sources. Sacxpert 02:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

How come Boeing mentions "B-" in planes like the B-17 Flying Fortress and the B-50-D Superfortress? 202.95.200.12 10:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Because those are military aircraft! The B- prefix means bomber. Boeing built the B-52 Stratofortress, a bomber. Convair built the B-60, also a bomber. North American built the XB-70, an experimental bomber. When Boeing designed fighter aircraft, they were labelled P-, because P stood for "pursuit" aircraft in the pre-63 designation system. The Boeing-built fuel tanker version of the 707 airliner was called the KC-135, and then there were planes like the C-18 Monomail. There was even a transport version of the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress, and that was called the C-108 Flying Fortress. The Navy used a different system until '63, whereby the manufacturer's code was part of the designation: F4F meant the fourth fighter design by Grumman, F4U meant the fourth fighter designed by Vought, and F4B meant the same for Boeing. But in that system, which only the Navy used only for a time, the manufacturer's name was added at the end, and not hyphenated. The military assigns its own numbers and labels to aircraft based on their use parameters; Boeing had nothing to do with it. Army Air Force/Air Force numbers (until very recently) were all sequential -- Boeing had an internal project number sometimes. For any military aircraft, new-built or converted from civilian, the Air Force assigned a type (P- or F- for fighter, B- for bomber, C- for cargo/transport, H- for chopper, A- for attack, etc.), and then assigned the next unused number. So, B-17 just means "17th bomber design for the US Air Force." After the '60s, these number counts were reset, so that the B-1 Lancer bomber, designed by Rockwell, was the first bomber of the new series, but it didn't matter who built it; Northrup-Grumman designed the stealth bomber, and that's called B-2. You can read more about this here.[3] But this was not applied to civilian aircraft in the United States, nor was it an international standard for aircraft, US or otherwise.
Boeing adopted the "7x7" naming system for its planes on its own; it could have called them anything it wanted. They add a dash to describe most variants: 747-100, 737-800, and the like, but there's no hyphen for lettered sub-versions: 747-236B or 777-200ER, for example. Likewise, Airbus chose the "A3xx" system for its planes; to draw attention to the Airbus name, they added the "A" to the number, but again, that was an internal choice, and they did not hyphenate it. Some people do refer to Boeings 747s as B-747, but that's only a shorthand for "Boeing 747", and the manufacturer doesn't use it. The military system is completely distinct from this. Visit Boeing.com and Airbus.com, and see what terms they use to describe their aeroplanes. Now that you know this, please stop reverting edits, unless you can provide some authentic sources from Boeing or Airbus to prove that they actually refer to their planes as "B-" or "A-", respectively. Thank you. Sacxpert 18:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

Well, the IP user hasn't made any edits in the recent past, so protection is not needed at the present time. However, if the user comes back, let me know and I'll see if protection is warranted in that situation. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I blocked the user for 1 week. If I see the user coming back and doing the same stuff, I'll re-block. If it becomes too much of an annoyance, then protection is justified. Nishkid64 (talk) 17:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a million! Sacxpert 01:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Merging

It's not a problem. Moving the items from Mayday to List of... is perfectly fine. If you had requested List of... to be deleted, and then pasted the episode list, there would be a problem. Since you didn't do that, there's no problems here. Nishkid64 (talk) 15:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thai flight 358

I'm looking into it right now. My initial impression is that the article is partly a hoax, based (weakly) on reality. There's nothing on the Mayday episode that I've been able to find as yet. Flyguy649 talk contribs 19:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Belgrano Sinking

Hi Sacxpert. A quick question, what was the other ship sunk by sub since WWII? Thanks. Eoin Ekilfeather 09:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I remember reading that now. Funny to think how money has gone to submarines for so little effect :-) Ekilfeather 08:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


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