Talk:Sacred Name Movement
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The tags were added because of the lack of information on key areas.
anon - august 2006
I'm still a bit new to the protocols and practices of Wikipedia. Please be patient. I have added several more Sacred Name groups to the list, and WEB links to most of those. I also moved two groups to the bottom of the list, as neither are considered mainstream within the movement. The group with which I am affiliated is left somewhere near the middle.
As a member of this movement since 1975, I should like to continue adding to this listing as an expert, with an eye towards objectivity. I know vast numbers of people in this movement. Constructive criticism is welcome.
Mbanak 06:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC) - Oct 19, 2006
The tag calling for an expert contributor started to bother me. I have been submitting material to this page over the last several mnonths, with no rebuttal. Perhaps may goal of objectivity has thus far been fulfilled.
That tag has been removed today. There is more to add and to refine, and I will continue to do that. But this Wiki page has provided a venue for publishing objective insights on this movement, without having to write an entire book.
One task that seems important is to provide reference links to other WEB pages, substantiating facts about practices and beliefs for groups and members in the movement. This can be tricky, because WEB pages often disappear, or else the URL is redefined by some new address, thus making a hyper-text link obsolete.
Over time, I shall do the best I can.
Mbanak 14:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks to "Rjwilmsi" for fixing typos.
Special Notice for "Loremaster":
I must take exception to your inclusion of this article under Jewsih Christians.
Background: When I stumbled across this entry already up-and-running for the "Sacred Name Movement", I also noticed that it was long neglected and in need of refinement and further work. I have been building-up and refining that entry for some time. I havebeen a member of the 1ovement since 1975, and keep balanced relationships among the various branches of the movement.
I was both stunned and offended to find my work suddenly pulled into the "Jeiwsh Christian" realm. Members of the Sacred Name Movement would very likely join with me in objection to this development. Not only are we not Jewish, but it is rare that a Sacred Namer calls himself a Christian (though some few do).
But the greatest offense is that an image of Messiah (an historicaly flawed rendering I may add) is suddenly part of this reference page. Supppose that it's OK to offend me. That is, it's OK with Wikipedia to to cuase me to momentarily sin by glancing at it (using a Biblical Definition of "offense"). I still can't see how a categorization and and image, having nothing to do with the Sacred Name Movement, can be a justified addition to the entry.
Even more so, the groups which you mention as "Jewsih Christians" would never tolerate such imagery!
I had to remove this associate from the WEB page.
No analogy is perfect. But there is a famous painting, supposedly of the Almighty, bringing a nude Adam to life with the touch of his finger. Try putting THAT on the WEB page for Judaism, and you get a feel for how inappropriate this image is on the Sacred Name Movement web page.
For all I know, you are trying to be inclusive and informative. But I appeal to you to put yourself in our shoes, and not make a fuss over this. I certainly wish you my peace.
Mbanak 04:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
On June 2, 2007 ....
I have been waiting for markups to appear on this page, and I see they were added by wikipedia watcher Dawn bard. And I happily note them.
I am gearing up to finish the section on the last of the Sacred Namer's feast days, "Tabernacles". Then I wish to cleanup an introductory paragraph, composed by someone else.
Then I wish to go back and do a more thorough level of referencing and sourcing for this page. One might argue, I suppose, that the material shold be sourced as it is composed. IN this case, I am struggling with the best way to do that.
Statements made in this material can be referenced by checking the WEB pages linked at the evry end. But that would require a reader to ransack those sources. So I am thinking of having embedded links to precise WEB pages with precise statements, which would support the narratives. However, Wikipedia standards seem to frown on that too, the embedding of external links in the compositions. In the course of referring to Wikipedia for another project, I found out how to do this. The embedded link should take the reader to a list of references at the bottom of the page. THOSE can then be external links.
OK. I trust that I will get to it in due course. While this work is in-process, I am delighted to see the tags and warnings applied to this page.
A free DVD (perhaps cost of postage must be accounted for) "Jesus - Who is he?" - It's been around for a short time (mid 2007)- you can get it on www.trademe.co.nz - I got it - a home made DVD - it is specifically about this subject - very thought provoking
It is Feb 2, 2008. I have added the section on how Sacred Namers observe Tabernacles, along with some other, minor edits. I have been careful, in the compilation of this section, to make it clear that the facts documented could be verified by internet searches or by refering to the literature of these groups. In another visit, I will be attending to various cleanup issues, and finding ways to document and/or reference the information provided in my narratives, as required by Wikipedia standards. My intention is only to inform. I am consciously aware of the need to stay neutral, especially in a Wiki page covering a religious topic.
Also, I see a promotional item listed just above. I did not add it. I am not sure whether advertising promotions are allowed on the discussion page. If I find that this is forbidden, I shall have to delete the reference, below, regardless of whether or not i agree with its contents. Mbanak (talk) 23:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
May 2nd, 2008. I have changed two areas. A reference to the group in Cisco, TX, erroneously cites "early ties" to the group in Abilene Texas. This had to be corrected. Under the section on "Other Doctrines", I felt compelled to correct obvious errors in those assertions. Specifically:
- Spanking emphasis removed; Removed reference[4] {MAB: It was absurd to claim either Sacred Namers or Evangelical Christianity emphasize spanking. Further, to cite a work by Armstrong as evidence of Sacred Name theology is irrelevant.} - Reference to Quantum physics removed {MAB- Neither Sacred Namers nor Evangelicals have any doctrine about Quantum Physics; was this entry a gag?} - Refined position relative to Bible Scholarship - Removed "an aggressively pro-Israel foreign policy." {Sacred Namers do not influence foreign policy, and their opinions about Israel vary widely} - Refined relationship to Armstrongism. - Removed references [6] [7] [8], pursuant to the edits made above
It is my hope that the original author of the items, which I have changed, will accept these corrections in a spirit of goodwill. It would be very impolite to impute to these groups beliefs that are not theirs.
As I continnue to contribute to this page, I try to cover broad trends. The possibilitity of minutiae and over-analysis is all too real. The statements, which I have corrected, would apply only to a cross-section of this movement. But this applies to any religious movement. If we allow the beliefs of the few (or the non-existent) to enter this Wiki page, then we are compelled to render some qualifying statements or pecentages. And THAT calls for original research. I have known Sacred Namers for over 30 years. Believe me, it's not worth it.
Comments welcome. Mbanak (talk) 14:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
