Template talk:S-hou

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[edit] Categories born and died

These seem redundant, almost every article has them explicitly. They also break things if the dates are put in wikilinks. I've removed them. Rich Farmbrough 18:46 3 May 2006 (UTC).

The death entry also breaks if applied to a living person. Septentrionalis 03:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colour

Changed color to Corn (color) after several attempts. I think the existing color clashed with {{s-pre}}; and this should be pastel enough to go with the rest of the series. Septentrionalis 17:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The current colour is, to my mind, not very appealing. It's far to bright. Srnec 04:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tentative changes

  1. adds name
  2. reformat to have born and died on same line, but
  3. when, where, how, {5} works or should work with that goal suspends effort, but for #1 (name).

needs researched on parm {5} use // FrankB 17:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

{| style="background: #FFD700;"
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! colspan="3" style="background: #FFD700;" |<!--
 -->{{#if:{{{name|}}}|<!--
 -->''{{{name}}}''<br><!--
 -->}}<!--
 -->{{#if:{{{1|}}}<!--
 -->|'''{{{1}}}'''<small><br/>}}<!--
 -->{{#if:{{{6|}}}|'''Cadet Branch of the {{{6}}}'''<br/>}}<!--
 -->{{#if:{{{2|}}}|<!--
 -->
|- bgcolor="#FFD700"
|Born: <!--
 === -->{{ #switch: {{{2}}} <!--
 === -->| Unknown=Unknown | unknown=unknown | [[{{{2}}}]] <!--
 === -->}}<!--
 === -->}}<!--
 === -->{{#switch:{{{3}}} | Unknown=Unknown | unknown=unknown | [[{{{3}}}]] <!--
 === -->}}
|<!-- Center cell... leave blank?
 -->
|<!-- Note: Still inside if(2); Begins right hand cell (Died)
 -->{{#if:{{{5|<noinclude>-</noinclude>}}}|Died: <!--
 -->{{#if:{{{4|}}}<!--
 -->|{{#switch:{{{4}}} <!--
 -->| Unknown=Unknown | unknown=unknown | [[{{{4}}}]] }} <!--
 -->}} <!--
 -->{{#switch:{{{5}}} | Unknown=Unknown | unknown=unknown | [[{{{5}}}]]<!--
 -->}} <br></small<!-- End-switch{5}
 -->}}<!-- [Endif: {2} ]
 --><noinclude>
[[Category:Succession templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
</noinclude>
|}

suspending now for input // FrankB 17:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Despite the flaws that can occur due to the inconsistencies between page title and the person's name, I believe that this is a nice overhaul of the s-hou template. I never was completely satisfied with it when I created it. For one thing, I always wanted to put the person's name at the top of the chart, but I wasn't sure if it would work. Now seeing it, I believe it does. I also was never able to get the switches and the #ifs to work properly so I abandoned the effort. Now it seems you have done such a good job that Template:s-hno, the dateless version of this, is completely useless and can be phased out. Good job and keep up the good work! Finally, please if you haven't already done so, join Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization. It is the project that is trying to support these types of changes!
–Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions ) 07:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why I'm reverting these changes

I'm sorry, but this change hugely uglifies tiny succession boxes. Look at Henry II of Navarre for an example. Half the height of his box is taken up by this template. And the changes in bolding and such are also worse than the previous version. I'm sorry, but I feel strongly that it should be changed back, and for this reason am reverting it to the version from 10 May 2007.

Also Louis88 and KuatofDY, you two make up the past 68 edits to this template and appear to edit it multiple times in the same minute. This is a hugely reckless waste of the WMF's resources, as this template is transcluded to over 1500 pages. Atropos 01:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and in your changes you somehow screwed up the Birth thing so that it only says Birth: if you have a date with it, rather than just a year. Atropos 18:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Before you revert this template back again, I'd like to forward you to WT:SBS where we should discuss any further changes. However, currently certain features of this template (the changes since the revert you sent us back to) are hard wired into other succession boxes in such a way that we can't just do a simple revert. I will make the name normal sized again, but it was agreed upon to have that option at the top of the succession box, and we will keep it. Regarding the birth problem, which I am aware of, I will notify FrankB, who created the current style, that the template is not currently working as it stands due to that problem, and ask him to fix it. However, reverting this template back screws up over 250 templates that currently do not have birth or death dates listed, thus producing even uglier templates than you describe. The problem has been continuous for a few months now, so I don't think people will mind it being a problem for a little longer. Let me talk with FrankB and see if he can get that fixed.
–Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions ) 00:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Sorry about all the edits. I should have used a test template when I was doing all those edits but I neglected to. I have since changed my ways.
Alright, I think I fixed all the problems with a little testing this time. Hope all works correctly!
–Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions ) 22:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with Template:s-hou

(Xpost cc from my talk here)

Apparently there is a major problem with your edits to Template:s-hou that require your immediate attention. in the common event of someone types a birth year but no birth month (thus a 3 but no 2 in the parameter listing), the birth title disappears and the date appears beside the royal house name as such:

(Note... Template used, so solved problem no longer manifests in below!)

S-hou
House of Romanov
Born: 1910 Died: 1918

We need to fix this problem post haste before an admin comes and reverts everything, screwing up the entire WP:SBS and throwing us back about three months. Please do something as soon as possible.
–Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions ) 00:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(reply, belated) So sorry to be MIA... but I've got those ole summertime wiki-blues. The succession of changes and the talk discourse looks to be on track...

Also have to agree that a template such as this one on so many pages need be changed carefully and only minimally, so do continue development on such in a sandbox unless your change is bullet-proof in NOT affecting things already in place.
  • Since you all seem to have handled all this fine, I'll just go back to sleep! <g> Cheers! // FrankB 20:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

(Xpost cc from my talk)