Talk:São Bernardo do Campo

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[edit] "Pavlistarvm Terra Mater"

A translation of this Latin motto would be nice! "Terra Mater", I "guess", means "Mother Land". That leaves "Pavlistarvm" ("Paulistarum" = "of the Paulist" ???) Peter Horn 22:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Make that of the "Paulistars" or Paulists. Peter Horn 20:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

That makes it "Motherland of the Paulistars", whatever a "Paulistar" may be. Any comment(s)??? Peter Horn 23:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I corrected some typos. Peter Horn 23:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
On second thought:
On third thought, I have come to the conclusion that a "Paulista" within this context is simply an inhabitant of São Paulo, and not a Paulista. Peter Horn 01:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
You are correct in your second rendering re Paulistarum (of the Paulists) [i.e., first declension feminine]. As to precisely what it refers, Paulists in general or people from São Paulo, I don't know. •Jim62sch•dissera! 16:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
First diclension, yes, but NOT necessarely feminine. Of the top of my head I can think of two Latin substantives that are masculin, namely nauta (sailor) and agricola (farmer). So, using the Spanish indefinite articles, an inhabitant of São Paulo can be "un paulista" or "una paulista" (not capitalized according to Spanish language convention). Likewise say in Mexico ones teeth can be treated by "un dentista" or "una dentista". So today "astronautae" (m/f nominative plural) or "cosmonautae" (m/f nominative plural) can be, and are, both men and women. In addition to that we have Saints named Agricola. For masculine names ending in "a" one might also mention emperors Caligula, Galba, Nerva and Geta (from List of Roman Emperors). Peter Horn 21:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
True of course, but in this case it would treated the same way (as no adjectives are involved), so it doesn't much matter as the declension would be the same. On the other hand, if it is refering to "a citizen of ..." the default would be masculine, at least for adjectivial, pronomial or passive verb usage (perfect and pluperfect indicative and subjunctive, and one sense of the future).
As for the emperors, Caligula was a nick (diminutive for "little boots"), his real name was Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus. As for the rest we are talking cognomens, originally nicks that later became used in the same way as surnames, so not necessarily a biggie. •Jim62sch•dissera! 21:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)