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Gareth, maybe it's useful to explain the scoring (since these are in the table). Also, you may want to make the two draws more clear by not putting a team in the "winner" column. Jeronimo

Thanks! Jeronimo
Since the Cup stays with the team that won from the previous year, shouldn't we put that team in the winning column? I have always gotten the impression that in the case of a draw, the last winning team is still considered the winner based on that being a tiebreaker of sorts, but that teams want to win the trophy outright so that they need not resort to the tiebreaker.
I'm not sure either. For sure, if it's a draw, the previous winners retain the Ryder Cup. I'm not sure if they technically "win" though, and I can't find a good reference. Dze27 01:58, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
I guess my point was, irrespective of whether they technically "win," they're certainly ahead of the other team in that they keep the Cup, and it would then correct the irregularity in the chart that I think looks distracting and makes it more difficult to read.
http://www.pga.com/rydercup/2006/usa/history/past_results.html also puts both teams in the "Winners" column when the match is drawn. I agree that it doesn't look great, but I think the existing layout is better for displaying the info accurately. Dze27 06:04, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps put "Tied"? If you think I'm beating a dead horse, I'll give it up, but I just wanted to explore a 1-line solution that wouldn't throw off the look of the table. 19:22, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Go for it, be bold... Dze27 00:11, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Reformatted Table

I don't care to fix it myself, but I would ask for someone to "fix" the table so that the most recent results are at the top. It doesn't make a lot of sense to demand that people scroll all the way to the bottom to get the information that's going to be most relevant to the most people.

I would also like to see some explanation of the "flags" that appear on the table of Ryder sites. Some of them are easy to understand, but I can't find some of them in any flag site that I have examined so far. -Error- After posting this, I finally 'discovered' using the site (You've done an excellent job!!!) that England has a separate flag from Great Britain. Who knew?

[edit] Format Prior To 1979

Watching the event this week here in the States on NBC, they talked about the format (team play the first two days, man vs. man the final day) of the Ryder Cup being different prior to the 1979 event. Anyone got any idea what the change was? BigPauly

[edit] Board

Perhaps the board could use some modifying? In a competition with only two teams, seems unnecessary to have a column for "Winners" and a separate one for "Losers". If you say that, say, the US won, it is obvious that Europe lost, and vice-versa. To integrate the scores, perhaps it would be more effective to have a single column, marked "Results", and say "USA/Europe def. Europe/USA X and/to Y". I'm not really certain on how the scores should be specified though. Thoughts? Regards, Redux 21:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Can the Swiss play for Europe?

Can the Swiss play? The Ryder Cup is described as being between the U.S. and Europe. But it has the E.U. flag, and Switzerland aren't in the E.U. If Swiss are allowed to enter (and Norwegians and the many other European nations not in the E.U.), then it should have a different flag, and if not they should refer to the "E.U." and not "Europe". Aaron McDaid

The twelve star flag originated with the Council of Europe, which Switzerland is a member of. Susvolans ⇔ 13:15, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. It seems that the Council of Europe and the European Union use the same flag. --Aaron McDaid 12:56, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
There is no official flag for the continent of Europe which is what the team consists of, therefore the 12-Star flag is the de facto flag rather than the official flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.187.123 (talk) 01:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

From the article:

By closely watching television recordings one can only agree, as on crucial moments spectators needed to cough, sneeze or shoot in their cell-phones, with only pupose to unbalance the European players. Never in history of the golf game there was so much un-etiquette.

I took this out but flagged the article anyways. Any input on this?--- Count de Des Moines

I can't see why you flagged the article anyway and I will remove the flag. Osomec 15:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

This article is highly biased and really should be flagged up for it. the above comments about the poor etiquette of the gallery is very accurate. Also, the incident below, there are numerous video clips, which unequivicolly contradict the view that the Americans were innocent gentlemen. I suppose you could paste together enough obscure shots of the incident to exonnerate them. Also, why does his article imply that "gentlemenly conduct" is a thing of the past and no longer adhered to, as any golfer will ell you this is absolute balls. Im sorry if i upset anyone with my comments but i feel they are points that need to be made.

I have removed the following sentence from teh end of the 'controversy' section, as it is blatantly POV, and does not proceed from the rest of the paragraph it was appended to: "The beginning of the "bad blood" for the Americans started with Olazabal's cha-cha on the 18th green in the 1987 Ryder Cup at Muirfield Village so it is somwhat ironic that it may end with him as well." This incident is not mentioned beforehand in the article, does on naturally com after the comment about subsequent Cups being played in good spirit, and is also unsourced. Boldymumbles 07:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leonard Incident

I would like to see some evidence for this - nobody walked on Olazabal's line information. From a quick search online it looks like several members of the american media walked on it. It seems nobody from the team ran on it but that isn't the same as nobody at all as this article suggests.

[edit] Ryder Cup points and team selections

DaveCrane 20:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)DaveCrane: Missing, and badly needed, is a discussion of how Ryder Cup points are awarded and how the two teams are selected. A good start for the US team is http://www.rydercup.com/2006/usa/teaminfo/qualification.html. There is a comparable page for the European team.

[edit] History

History section states "In 1923 he sponsored the..." This date seems to be either incorrect, or out of order chronologically since the previous sentence discusses events from 1926 and 1927. It is unclear to the reader if Ryder sponsored this before he actually became a golfer, or if it is just an error.

Similarly, the opening line that the cup was 'born' in 1926 is confusing. This para should include the date of the first Ryder Cup event, to match the 1927 date in the table of results.

[edit] Flags

I feel the flags that appear in the results are inconsistent and misleading. For events lcoated in the USA the flag of the nation state is displayed. For Europe, sometimes the flag of their nation sate is displayed (as in the case of Valderama in Spain in 1997 and K Club in Ireland in 2006). For other events a regional flag is displayed, namely the regional flags of England, Scotland or Wales. For consistency , I believe the flag of the nation state shouls always be used and not regional flags. Any event in the United Kingdom should display the 'Union Jack; and not regional flags.

Golfers represent the 4 constituent countries, not the UK. There's no reason why it shouldn't be the same for courses. Marky-Son 00:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality Rules

How strict are the nationality rules for the Ryder Cup? Does one have to be a U.S. citizen to play for the United States? And are there any cases of non-U.S. born golfers playing for the United States after becoming naturalized citizens? JAJ 04:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Match-ups

Can someone please provide some information as to how the opponents in each match are decided? It's something I'd really like to know! tmimh 01:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The captains decide the order of play for their teams, and the pairings for the fourballs and foursomes. There is no knowing pairing of opponents. Kevin McE 16:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I think it would be a really great idea to get some pictures of the ryder cup onto this page. Does anyone not argee with me on this?

Of course -- the problem however is finding freely-licensed photographs to begin with. I put some on the 2004 Ryder Cup page, and there are a few more from that series on commons, but I'm not sure any of those are illustrative enough for the main article. The Cup itself may be copyrighted as sculpture (or at least the golfer on top), so photos of it may be derivative works (maybe we could use those under the fair use exception though). If you have some pictures that you took, please upload them ;-) Carl Lindberg 02:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 Format

Check the official 2008 Ryder Cup site. There is important information regarding the change of format that will take place for the 2008 Ryder Cup. The idea came from U.S. captain Paul Azinger and was announced on January 30. Someone should write here about these changes. Here is the link: Azinger changes format; alternate shot first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.10.76.226 (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Great Britain & Ireland Team Information

I have noticed that Irish players played in the Great Britain side from 1953 so the Great Britain side from 1951 should be known as the Great Britain & Ireland team from 1953 though to 1977 rather than Great Britain & Ireland team being known from just 1973 though to 1977.

I believe those were the official team names at the time, even though they may not have really reflected reality. We've generally kept with those I think. You can see the history page on the official site does the same thing (click on the year links to see the team names). Carl Lindberg (talk) 02:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)