Talk:Ryan Holle

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A fact from Ryan Holle appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 13 December 2007.

This article was nominated for deletion on December 8, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 External link 2 Appeal? 3 Notable? 4 Controversy? 5 Father's opinion relevant?

[edit] External link

Leaving myself a note -- some details of the prosecution of the case are given here [1] -- Kendrick7^talk 23:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Good overview of events here -- Kendrick7^talk 00:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, expansion from those sources complete -- Kendrick7^talk 02:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appeal?

It seems unjust; giving someone a car to perform a burglary is not the same as giving someone a car to perform a murder. Was there no appeal? Toby Douglass (talk) 13:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

This is sick.--SidiLemine 14:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The only salient question is whether he did know the car was going to be used in that crime. If so, then game over, he's gotten what he deserves. Jatkins679 (talk) 19:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

There does appear to be some sort of appeal going on, per this PDF document[2] but there's no information in it beyond that. -- Kendrick7^talk 23:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable?

I read the New York Times article maybe a week ago, and I assume this article doesn't significantly predate that (very little other information)? Is this really a notable person/event? It's perhaps an example of the effects of the felony murder rule, but this guy's not Mumia Abu-Jamal. 71.194.163.223 (talk) 14:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Some guy commited a crime and got life imprisonment... where's the notability? Maybe if this were the first time it was used or causing a big uproar in the country or somebody was taking it to the Supreme Court... but right now it's just some guy who got life imprisonment. Doesn't seem notable to me. -CumbiaDude (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy?

Shouldn't there have been some controversy over this sentencing? Was that notable? — Rickyrab | Talk 16:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

This is a new application of the felony murder concept, as the accused was not a participant in the underlying crime.

Some say he was, given that he gave the car and allegedly knew that there was going to be a felony involved. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 20:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

He apparently knew a *robbery* was going to take place, and so had agreed to that. Certainly he is guilty in that regard. However, he apparently had no knowledge or expectation a murder would have occurred, so he cannot be said to have agreed to that. Toby Douglass (talk) 21:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

He says he didn't know.76.17.147.234 (talk) 04:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Father's opinion relevant?

"As the prosecutor David Rimmer explained: "No car, no murder."[1] The victim's father, Terry Snyder, concurred: "It never would have happened unless Ryan Holle had lent the car. It was as good as if he was there.""

I don't think the victim's father is a particularly reliable source for the assertion.. and really the same argument could be made for the prosecutor. Furthermore this is not a matter-of-fact and should be presented as an opinion or argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.132.221.211 (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)