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[edit] Edit war

User:Americanman08 and an ip user (71.131.16.19/76.103.50.30 both use the same edit summary: updated and corrected information relating to Tomohiro Arashiro Sensei) have been reverting each other over the description of Tomohiro Arashiro I have pointed both parties to the three revert rule. Could you please discuss this.

The two versions are

Arashiro Sensei, an Okinawan, started his training with Kenko Nakaima Sensei at age 13. In 1979, under the leadership of Sakumoto Sensei and Nakaima Sensei’s approval, Arashiro Sensei emigrated to the United States and began teaching the traditional Ryuei Ryu taught to him by Nakaima Sensei.

and

Arashiro Sensei,(An Okinawan with a very questionable Timeline regarding the (History & Lineage)of Ryuei Ryu ,claims to have been taught while as enrolled as a middle school student for a few years in Okinawa)teaches a very popular Sport based version of the art,modified simply for competitive situations only by Tsuguo Sakumoto, a former student of Kenko Nakaima.

Cleaned up these look like this:

Arashiro an Okinawan, started his training with Kenko Nakaima at age 13. In 1979, under the leadership of Sakumoto and Nakaima’s approval, Arashiro emigrated to the United States and began teaching the traditional Ryuei Ryu taught to him by Nakaima.

and this

Arashiro, (an Okinawan with a claims to have been taught while as enrolled as a middle school student for a few years in Okinawa) teaches a popular sport based version of the art, modified simply for competitive situations only by Tsuguo Sakumoto, a former student of Kenko Nakaima.

I don't know who Tomohiro Arashiro is or his history but can you please stopo reverting & provide some sources. --Nate1481(t/c) 16:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


I am a student of Arashiro's and have been editing the page as to his personal statement relating to his karate history. The wording I have been using are a direct quote by Mr. Arashiro. Here is a reference:

http://www.ryueiryu.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6

--tanden(t/c) 16:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a start, but as it is a primary source it can only back up that that is his version of things, linage etc. are a pain to source (I know I've tried). Add in the information and sources by all means but copy & pasting information may lead to copyright problems. --Nate1481(t/c) 17:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the info. I have complete approval from the owner of ryueiryu.com to use their wording. What can I do about the changes being made, they are more and more becoming an attack. I am making no claims regarding any information on the page other than information directly dealing with Tomohiro Arashiro. looking forward to your input. --Tanden (talk) 19:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the alternate version is attacking, and annoyingly invariable. I did try and clean it up, to be honest if it keeps being the same user(s) doing it you can raise it at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents --Nate1481(t/c) 10:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Section

I recommend breaking out the disputed biographies into a separate section and then into separate bio's, since they do not belong in the main history of this art; they are present day instructors and no where is it cited that either is a world officiator of this style. This new "Outside Japan" section will also allow for other contributors to post lists of present day schools and experts from other regions. Also, the constant edits are riddled with grammar and punctuation errors... let's keep the Wikipedia clean Porfirio Landeros (talk) 20:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Outside Japan section seems like a good idea I woudldn't suggest lists as these get drive by additons of Yekcim Esuom's Extreeem karate and independent bios to wouldn't survive See(matial arts project notability criteria) --Nate1481(t/c) 10:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)