Talk:Rudolf Wanderone Jr.

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Contents 1 Fair use rationale for Image:MinnesotaFats.jpg 2 Date of death 3 Page move 4 Children

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:MinnesotaFats.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Date of death

There seem to be 2 schools of thought about his true death date, 15th or 18th January.

• 15 Jan – [1], [2], [3], [4], etc.
• 18 Jan – [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc.

Can anyone confirm the correct date, and explain why it's authoritative? -- JackofOz (talk) 11:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've looked at two reliable conflicting sources: the U.S. Social Security death index, and his New York Times Obituary. Based on this I've added material on the discrepany itself to the article. If it has to be decided one way or the other, I'd go with the New York Times. It's not likely the reporter, who interviewed his wife and reported on January 19 that he died "yesterday", got it wrong--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. In my experience, when reporters say something happened "yesterday" or "overnight", what that actually means in terms of a precise date is not always what one might expect. Sometimes, "yesterday" turns out to be more than 48 hours before. So, it's not necessarily conclusive from the reporter's report. But thanks for the insertion about the discrepancy. Now, if someone could come up with a report of his death that was published before 18 January 1996, that would be strong evidence that 15 January is correct. But if in fact he died on 18 January, then we'll be waiting for ever for any such report. -- JackofOz (talk) 14:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, which is why I went with noting the conflict in the article. It's amazing when you know a lot about a particular subject, how often even the most reliable sources get some facts wrong and what that implies about the error rate on topics where you don't have intimate knowledge. I just finished writing Cowboy Jimmy Moore and I can't begin to describe the troubles I had between competing reliable sources with conflicting information and how much work it was to nail down the facts. You're right, any report earlier than the 18th is pretty conclusive!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Another source for the January 18 date can be found here: [10]. Among the many indexes on this site, which is hosted by Shelby County, Tennessee (where Memphis is located), is an index to everyone who died in Tennessee from 1949 through 2005. I had to do some creative searching to find the name, because it's misspelled on the index. But it states that a "Wondron, Rudolf W" died on 01-18-1996 at age 82 in Davidson County (site of Nashville). Cheemo (talk) 05:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

I have moved this page based on the image of Fats' grave marker as seen here. Otto4711 (talk) 15:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Children

Shouldn't there be a mention of his daughter Etta James in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.208.189 (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Re the information on Etta James added by anons: First, the bit about Wanderone neither confirming nor denying has to come out because it is not supported by the source. The source does not say anything about what Wanderone did or didn't say. As for the inclusion of any of the rest of it, I believe that it gives undue weight to a piece of speculation. It's mentioned that she made the claim. That's enough to deal with it. Otto4711 (talk) 21:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Er, actually a close reading of the article makes it quite clear that Wanderone neither confirmed nor denied it. I understand, though, about not giving a piece of speculation undeue weight. 99.230.227.201 (talk) 02:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Unless the source says "Wanderone neither confirmed nor denied..." then relying on a "close reading" of the source constitutes original research. The source says that he gave her a gold watch and a photograph. One could conclude from that that he did acknowledge the relationship tacitly, but that too would be OR. Otto4711 (talk) 02:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)