Talk:Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria

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[edit] STD

It was rumored, that Rudolf suffered from a veneral dissease. However, this is a serious charge and should be supported by reliable evidence, such as, e.g., a quote from a medical journal. Also, Schonbrun's medical archives are now open. I would like to know myself, but could not find evidence on this in any serious books on this topics. If you provide the evidence, I'll gladly revert my edit and remove the accuracy tag. David Cruise 21:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC).Removed the accuracy flag.Cruise 00:28, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incompleteness

About 99% of this article is about nothing but his death. There's nothing about his early life, any functions of state he may have attended, international affairs, anything. 68.39.174.238 07:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Succession

Why was his daughter not considered heir to the throne, as had been the case with Maria Theresa, his ancestress and empress?Mowens35 18:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Austria used semi-salic succession rules. See Salic law article. An exception was made that allowed Maria Theresa to get the throne. See the article Pragmatic Sanction of 1713. WikiParker 21:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stephanie's photo on Mary's final letter

Warning: This photo shows Royal Princess Stephanie of Belgium, wife (widow) of Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria, and NOT the baroness Mary Vetsera. See and compare different photos of Mary and Stephanie in enwiki, dewiki, huwiki, also in Commons. Akela3 19:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Corrected. WikiParker 11:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Murder or Suicide

If one accepts these new allegations that the deaths of Crown Prince Rudolf and Baroness Vetsera were not a double suicide, then how does one explain the numerous suicide notes left by the pair? Baroness Vetsera left notes to her mother and to her sister, and Rudolf also left several. It is noted by historians that Emperor Franz Joseph was particularly hurt by the fact that his son had left him no farewell note, but had written to others. One wonders if handwriting experts have examined these letters? Surely Baroness Vetsera's family would recognize forged suicide letters?

Indeed, I'm sure this is one reason why no serious historians doubt the generally accepted story that it was a double suicide. john k 05:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I believe that Zita was telling the truth that Rudolph did not comit suicide. One can argue that this whole suicide story was a plot against the Habsburgs in order to hurt the family's name and therefore hurt the country. It could have been a situation in which someone was pointing a pistol at Rudolph and Mary and forced them to write sucide notes. What would their motives have been had they comitted suicide? Weren't they happy toghether? The claims that Zita made might have been passed down the Habsurg family secrectly and she was the first to open the subject to public. Not only did Zita claim this, but so did most of her children. Although they did not make a claim publicly I can assure to you, they strongly believe that this was not a suicide.

[edit] Catholic Canonic Law on Suicide

Although when at the time Crown Prince Rudolf committed suicide the Catholic Church in fact deemed that a person that committed suicide may not receive a religious funeral. It is important to mention that this canon is no longer in effect. The Catholic Church now deems suicide as the final chapter of mental illness, and therefore, the a person that commits suicide may now receive full Catholic rites.

I don't see that it's that important to mention that the rule is no longer in effect. The important thing is what the rule was at the time. john k 05:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cross-linking

I'm not quite sure how, but this page should probably link to, and coordinate information with, the page on the Mayerling_Incident, or merge, or something.

Feyandstrange 07:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)