Talk:Rude boy
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I'm [Ben Samuel] and I live in London and therefore regularly experience "Rude Boys", a subculture related to the Jamaican one but distinctly British. These gangs of youths as the Police call them will find any excuse to pick a fight, and cynically target affluent areas, moving about to avoid detection. They especially like violence, mobile phones and garage music (the type found on pirate radio). Some like bikes to. Strategies: Avoid at all costs as they always mean trouble. Even if they commit a crime such as obstructing a pathway, it is very hard to nail them. The best way is to go into a public place (away from them) and tell the police to come, with sirens off, so they don't scarper.
As an American Citizen I find Rude Boy's to be friendly, outgoing, and generally all around good people, but of course this is the American version. I've had many run in's with the American RudeBoy, and all of them turned out just fine, the horror stories you hear about traveling packs of wolf-like youth are fictional here in the states, some try to put on a good show and act like they're tough and rude, but it's all an act.
However, upon visiting London on many occasions for work-related traveling I came in contact with the above mentioned RudeBoy(by Ben there) and it varies from person to person. Some take on a more lighthearted view on the subculture, while others take it drastically too far.
Either way if you see a RudeBoy causing meaningless trouble, just laugh and keep walking, they only harrass people who don't like them, or interfer with them. In fact if you don't mind having some buddies of questionable legality, they can be loyal friends.
I have relocated the information about Rude Boy: The Jamaican Don to its own page, as I believe it has enough information to qualify for its own film page. --^pirate 16:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
The most common usage of the term rudeboy in England is now by those who would not class themselves as 'rudeboys' to denote teenage (definetely not adult) black individuals who dress in imitation of American (mainly) rap or hip hop musicians and attempt to portray an image of criminality. Although in some cases this amy be merely ana ct it would be more accurateto refer to these people as pseudo-rudeboys, as engaging in violent crime is in actual usage inherent to the term. Rudeboys tend to hang around on trains and at the very least create an atmosphere of intimidation and very often engage in robbery and assaults which quite commonly result in serious injury especially in south london. Anyone who laughs at a rudeboy as the above poster suggests is severly misguided and runs real risk of attack. At the least i think a section should be inserted to cover the meaning of rudeboy with relation to street crime of thuis nature, and a warning to any tourists who may have the wrong impression. Nearly all rudeboys carry knives from the age of about 12 up. Call the police if you like but they take no interest. NOTE: chav = white working class rudeboy = black Not synonymus Also he was gay
[edit] Material removed from merge
I merged Rudeboy clothing into Rude boy, but some of the material from that page bordered on advertisement:
"The Rudeboy™ clothing line was inspired by the original Rudeboys of the West Kingston ghetto - Trenchtown. This Concrete Jungle with its harsh conditions, oppression and violence eventually gave birth to the fearless "rudeboy". These rudeboys became notorious all throughout Jamaica as cool, dangerous and trendsetting. Through their defiance, rudys relentlessly fought against the colonial system that created their destitute living conditions. Eventually, they evolved from mere street hooligans to neighborhood "Dons" . Being a rudeboy is a show of defiance. A shunning of the social injustice, racism and poverty, with the ability to forge ahead in a hostile environment. It means using your talents to create a niche. It means being street smart and aware no matter where life takes you. Finally, it is the ability to remain strong under any circumstance."
Sourced from Rudeboy Clothing Inc. (www.rudeboyclothing.net 3/21/06)
While this information may be useful, it should not be placed in an encyclopedia article in its current form. 24.126.199.129 17:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- The Rude Boy Clothing article was about a specific clothing company, not about rude boy fashion in general. Whether that clothing company was notable enough to warrant an article is debatable, but the new information in the Fashion section of the Rude Boy article is incorrect, so I deleted it. The orignal rude boys wore suits, and had nothing to do with rastafarian culture. Yes, the term has changed its meaning over the years, but if there's going to be a fashion section, it should start with information about the original styles.Spylab 18:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab
[edit] Removing rude boy mythology
Removed some of the biased information linking rude boys to skinhead subculture. Also removed the romanticized view of rude boys as a subculture based on music. Rude boys were not a subculture, they were the equivilant of criminal gangsters in the Kingston slums. Upsetterfc 13:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Again, being a rude boy in Jamaica wasn't about music and fashion. It was common behavior amongst Jamaicans of different backgrounds. The skinhead books cited is biased towards UK culture and not a reference on or about Jamaican culture.Upsetterfc 14:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Styling definitions here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/styling Upsetterfc 15:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
- Of course the references to skinheads isn't about Jamaica, since skinheads started in the UK. The point is that rude boys had an influence on other people, just as black jazz artists influenced white hipsters and early mods, and black rappers have had an influence on people of all races and backgrounds. That is relevant to this article. I looked at that link to the definition of styling, and in the context of this article, styling definitely refers to fashion, music and other lifestyle factors. Therefore, the sentence should be specific and say that, instead of using the ambiguous word styling, which will leave readers with more questions than answers.Spylab 15:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, I over-sharpened definition.Upsetterfc 15:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rude Boy is a subculture
There are many online links and valid information citing rude boy as one of the first Jamacain cults . You should include how rudeboys influenced the skins . Rudeboys were avid listeners or ska and rocksteady . Now the rude boys were working class youth , like there skinhead brothers , they are seen with skins in bowler hats and gloves in docs like reggae by horance ove . Its crazy wot you guys are leaving out in the article in terms of influence on skins ... if there was no rudeboy there would be no skinhead ! Skinhead was a coming together of working class mod or hard mods .... and rudeboys . If there was no rudeboy skinhead would just be a mod who happened to listen to reggae . Who happened to cut there hair like young carribeans ....
