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[edit] Editing Problem

Just added an aditional little explanation on the new edition to the original Rozen Maiden manga. But somehow the wiki page doesn't generate the publishing time table I inputed. This in turn ruin the appearance of the next chapter. I should say I'm a noob when it comes to wiki posting. Did I do something wrong? Can someone please correct this problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.90.30 (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manga ending?

Now that the manga has ended in Japan, perhaps someone can post a little summary in the manga section of the article?


--Someone needs to look into the new chapter of Rozen Maiden released back in April. It was called Tale 1 and showed an alternate universe where Jun chose not to wind, and lead up to the connection with Volume 8's ending. I think Tale 2 will be released May 19. Not quite sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.231.52 (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seinen?

Personally, I really dont think Rozen Maiden qualifies as a Seinen and thus shouldnt be in the Seinen category. I believe it is something between shounen and seinen, but definatly not edgy enough to be considered 18-30 demographic. Not to say there arent 18-30 yr old people who love the show, its just not inappropriate for 15-18 yr olds. I would guess it would be (or is) rated 13-16+ User: I dont know my username ; ; 8.45 PM 28 April 2007

There doesn't have to be anything inappropriate for a show to qualify as seinen. Take Azumanga Daioh for example. Also consider that the show is appealing to the gothic lolita crowd. Ziiv 20:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


I personally agree with I dont know my username ; ;]] on this argument and I belive that even though it could be considered a little "creepy" it really isn't that bad. Ericschulz 10:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


The Seinen demographic is not given to an anime/manga as an age rating, but to tell what public the manga/anime is aimed at. The 'Rozen Maiden' manga was published in an Seinen magazine and without furigana, so it clearly is Seinen. 84.48.69.50 (talk) 22:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tomoe's shinai

I added a small note that Tomoe likely practices kendo, since the thing in the purple bag she's seen carrying I'm 99% positive is a shinai and Hinaichigo makes a reference to her going to a match.Katsuhagi 17:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right, just in case someone tries to remove it. If you crossreference to the Japanese wikipedia, it does say that Tomoe practices kendo.Karn-b 07:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Thank you. I can't read Japanese too well so I wasn't sure if that's what it was saying. Katsuhagi 15:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Split?

Yes, in fact, other anime series have the character moved into their separate page. Text is moved there; but now it needs a bit of a fix up. KyuuA4 04:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The article is larger than 35 kb....should it be time for a split?

I would propose we follow what was done for ToHeart and have the following articles:

  • Rozen Maiden
original article containing specific links to sub-articles, and other information that doesn't belong to any specific section
  • Rozen Maiden (manga)
  • Rozen Maiden (anime)
  • Rozen Maiden ~traumend~ (anime)

Perhaps an audio CD section could be included once we get enough information to justify it.

Karn-b 15:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Methinks we should split this as well, though maybe just into Rozen Maiden and Rozen Maiden Characters. Mekryd 04:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I think
  • Rozen Maiden
  • Rozen Maiden (manga)
  • Rozen Maiden (anime) (since the 2 ::story arcs do intersect)
  • Rozen Maiden Characters
is a good way to split it.
Also, http://www.rozen-unyu.net/index.html has translations of the 2 radio drama cds produced for the different seasons.
Etc7
I also think a split is in order, although a standalone anime section that includes traumend should do, as Etc7 pointed out. Maybe a more comprehensive episode list for the anime as well? Magus Melchior 05:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The excessive cruft needs to be cut out first, then the article won't be so large. Not that 35 KB is even seen as "large" anymore. -- Ned Scott 10:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hina Ichigo "eaten"?

I have not had the chance to read the latest from Rozen Maiden, but would "eaten" be the correct word to use? The images it produces are rather disturbing - does anyone know what really happened, so we can acertain whether or not "eaten" is the most suitable word?

Karn-b 15:58, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

She IS eaten ; there is a picture of Hina-ichigo getting eaten. If I'm not wrong, it should be official manga art. Slur 11:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing like that in volume 7; Kirakishou uses her rose vines on Hinaichigo, and later we only see Hina's feet. Hina says she was eaten later in the manga, but she talks like a little girl, so... Magus Melchior 05:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Considering Hina's obvious thinking like a child and her name Ichigo meaning strawberry, I think she just claimed as though she was eaten to over exaggerate what really happened. As in being "swallowed up" by the vines. shadzar|Talk|contribs 05:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Story and background information - merge?

I think that perhaps we should merge the background information and story section, since they are basically doing the same thing. Karn-b 14:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Publishing dates

Any one found that strange where all the publishing date of the volumes are the 24th?? 84.13.243.22 22:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Since they're published regularly, they are able to compile them on a regular basis and have them released then. It's the same for other manga as well. Karn-b 14:55, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

are they real? please tell me!

I don't think so, Tim.

[edit] Response to Samix

Yes, it is a manga. I'm still learning Wikipedia--does this mean we need to change the title to "Rozen Maiden (Anime)" ? --Zaorish 03:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I have absolutely no clue either, as this is my first try at editing articles. Samix

I have not read any of the manga, though I do understand they are significantly different in plot. Usually you would be able to put both on the one page, with subsections discussing the separate plot lines. There should be no need to make a separate article, at least not at the moment. Elric of Grans 03:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I have read only a small part of it, but it does seem different. One example being the ring appears on the medium and they kiss it there, as opposed to kissing the ring on the doll.--Samix 06:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I've read a bit of it -- into the second volume, chapter nine -- and thus far the differences that I see are:
- the plot going at a much faster pace; Suigintou appears not long after Shinku encounters Hinaichigo
- Megu, Suigintou's medium, makes an appearance very early
- Enju's doll shop hasn't yet popped up, but Laplace the rabbit already has
Apart from that, though, I'm not sure how different the plot is. Even the dialogue is well-nigh identical to that of the anime.--Winterfox 21:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm nearing the end of the fifth volume, and still no doll shop. Apart from that, I can't comment on any more differences, as I haven't seen the anime! Although 翠星石 doesn't "cackle maniacally" in the manga... 130.232.131.47 14:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Disappearing Characters Section

The entire cast section appears to have been deleted. Is there a legitmate reason for this, and can it be reverted if there isn't? Michael Hopcroft 03:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

- I assumed it was vandalism and had already reverted it. If someone actually wants to erase it, please discuss first. --Pyo
- I've linked the character page back here simply under the heading 'characters' --itakoaya

[edit] References

After having watched the anime I can't help but think that the Alice Game is a metaphor for religion - a 'father' making imperfect beings that have the ability to become perfect and that struggle, misinterpret their maker's actions, get tricked by 'fakes', all in the hope of achieving that goal. Any similarity is quite possibly unintentional - but if there are others who think so too, maybe it has a place in the 'references' section (much like the fan speculation of each Rozen Maiden representing some aspect of perfect femininity). What do you guys think? 87.203.143.128

I think its most likely unintentional, But yeah, I've never thought of it like that before. --Theredstarswl 04:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
It is certainly an interesting point, but I don't know whether such speculation has a place in the encyclopedia - are there any sources from PEACH-PIT to support that? But of course now that you bring it up, I don't know whether people can substantiate the perfect femininity idea either...perhaps that one should be removed as well?

Karn-b 15:30, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't see why possible interpretations shouldn't belong in the encyclopedia, and the perfect feminity part sure is plausible, what I'm asking here is this: Is the religion thing plausible? If it is then I think it should be added. I was thinking something along the lines of "Fans have also theorized a possible connection between religion and the Alice Game," but if I'm the only one that thought so then I don't think it has a place here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.143.128 (talk • contribs)
Unsourced speculation has no place in Wikipedia. And even if it is sourced, it should still be treated with a great deal of caution about whether to include it or not. That is because including speculation, no matter how "plausible" it may seem, will conflict with WP:OR --TheFarix (Talk) 17:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but if there is a common theory among fans I don't see why it shouldn't be included. That is it should be included NOT as a 'possible interpretation' but as fan speculation, and properly labeled as such. That's why I asked if anybody else thought there was a connection with religion - because if someone did then it would rightfully be a fan theory. Apparently it's not. But the feminity part is, so it shouldn't be removed in my opinion. 87.203.143.128
Actually, that POV statement should also be removed because it is both unsourced and uses vague attribution. If I had noticed it easier, I would have removed it as I did with the speculation about a possible third season. --TheFarix (Talk) 17:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
As far as I watched original stories on TV (voice=japanese), the alice game is just a kind of 'mystery' (or the thing which makes the story as mysterious) instead of religional thing as you concern. But, the alice game is an important keyword and is value to establish the separate paragraph of it in the body. --DryEye 20:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I've recently come to a similar conclusion independently. I don't think it's unintentional, especially given the context of ouverture. I think suigintou's desire to meet with father at all costs symbolizes the excess of religious zeal sometimes present in the real world. Furthermore, consider the crosses on her clothes, and in the anime, note that she is often portrayed standing on a cross. I think this story is a perfect allegory of the human search for a divine creator. A supreme being creates several imperfect beings who seek to be with the creator. Some (eg suigintou) will attempt this at all costs. Others (eg suiseiseki) value the existance of their brethren more. -- Pierrecurie 11:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
It's funny, because I was thinking up the exact same thing myself while watching the final episode with Jun screaming up to Rozen exclaiming "Is this really what you wanted your dolls to do? Fight each other for you?" or something along those lines. Which made me think that the entire thing could be a social commentary about holy wars and the such that have plagued our world since day 1.--72.65.215.234 14:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've renamed the section to "Influences" as that is a more accurate description and created a new "References" section for citations—something that this article is lacking. I've also removed the speculative statement that we've been discussing and dealt with another speculative statement by replacing it with a quote from episode 10 "Parting". There are a few other statements with vague attributions in the article that either needs to be rewritten or removed, but I'm not ready to deal with those yet. --TheFarix (Talk) 03:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well then, how about a 'Rumors' section, or something like that? If there's a certain rumor circulating among fan circles (like a possibility for a third season for example) then I don't believe it is a vague attribution, is it? Especially since it does not affect the article's neutral status.

Fan speculation has no place in the article because they are based on "theory" not fact, and therefore, should not be added. Facts and speculation belong on message boards and fan forums not a place that strives to provide factual information about a given topic. Also, a "rumors section" does effect the article because it has no foundation and only serves as a burden by weighing down the article in useless speculation which provides no information about the series. After all, people visit this article to learn about Rozen Maiden not what the fans think about Rozen Maiden or its content.

Is there any (non-speculative) information on the references to "Alice in Wonderland"? There's the name "Alice", the talking rabbit, and the use of mirrors as portals to alternate worlds. Is this coincidence, or random references with no real meaning, or is there some underlying significance here? 16:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I also noticed this too. The outfit designs, the dream worlds, the rabbit, the mirror portals, and of course the perfect being 'Alice' all seem to be of some important influence from "Alice in Wonderland" in fact, I think I remember reading about that somewhere on Wikipedia, but perhaps I'm wrong?--72.65.215.234 14:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

I modified the link to Japanese web sites with comments (= font and/or language matter). My description might need to be updated/blushed-up. --DryEye 23:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

We normally use one of the langauge icons templates, such as {{ja icon}}, to show that a website is in a different language and may need a special character-set to view properly. Your disclaimer wasn't needed. --TheFarix (Talk) 01:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Desudesudesu

Perhaps there should be a mention of the use of Suiseiseki in the desudesudesudesu meme.

There was at some point, I don't see it now though. Should there be a "trivia" section for that? 87.203.84.217 20:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It's a pretty widespread meme, from what I see (I haven't seen much of the series, so I'm not the best one to put it in there). Commander Nemet 01:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

It may have been removed due to WP:DNLAED which covers the removal of meme related content in articles considered serious business --58.167.245.32 05:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless someone can provide a solid reference for this, the point about Suiseiseki being the source of the use of "desu" on the internet is speculation at best. Other characters in anime that have preceded Rozen Maiden have used "desu" at the end of their phrases as well (ie. Tsukamoto Chisa from Comic Party), so it may not necessarily be solely because of Suiseiseki. -Js2756 02:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Suiseiseki is the one who uses Desu most frequently, and her image is associated with it. 69.221.162.197 01:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Calling it speculation sounds a little odd, since it's a simple fact that Suiseiseki is the source of the desu meme. But of course, it's near impossible to "prove" something like this to Wikipedia standards. I suppose because the knowledge of where a meme comes from is usually spread just like the meme itself, with little in the way of evidence. There's the Dan Kim webcomic that probably inspired it, and screenshots of 4chan, but that's it. I'm not sure of that counts as sufficient proof. 81.77.153.190 02:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Once again, what is that fact based on? Unless someone can cite a source, it is not encyclopedic and should either be removed or altered to reflect that a lot (but not necessarily all) of the influence behind the use of desu comes from Suiseiseki. As I've mentioned before, she is not the only, nor the first, anime character to use desu. Stating that Suiseiseki uses it and has image association, is not a verifiable source. On that note, I also don't think that Desu should redirect to Rozen Maiden. - Js2756 20:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't say it is encyclopedic at any point there, I just said it's true. But the only way to be sure of that is to be someone who used 4chan at the time the Desu meme started. I rarely contribute to Wikipedia, so I don't know how best to alter the article, or what exactly is a verifiable source, etc. I was just providing some information. 84.69.47.236 00:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
How about Desuchan.net? 68.108.249.100 17:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "N-Field" vs. "Dream World"

I'd inadvertently added a "N-Field" entry to the "Terms" section without reading the "Dream World" entry very closely. It seems that the anime in particular blurs the line between these two terms. For example, in season 1 episode 6, Shinku calls Suigintou's domain her "sekai" or "world", whereas in episode 10 they promise to meet one another at the "N-Field", which, as it turns out, is the same location. In season 2 episode 4, Suiseiseki comments that the theater the dolls and Jun end up in doesn't seem to be Barasuishou's Field (with Souseiseki earlier referring to the puddle or perhaps the place accessible through the puddle as an N-Field). I'm thinking perhaps S1E6 is a slight script error (but I can't prove that, of course), and the Dolls' "dream worlds" are really N-Fields, because they don't inhabit them in their dreams, whereas humans are in their dream worlds when they sleep. Suggestions? 24.4.105.240 08:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Come to think of it, the only Doll seen in what appears to be her Field while asleep is Shinku (season 1 episode 10). Whether she's the rule or exception, I can't say. 24.4.105.240 13:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The chicken or the egg?

"TV manga

A series of manga based on the anime have also been released."

What? The manga came first, right? And the anime was based on the manga? So what's this doing in the manga section? Or is this something entirely different? Could someone confirm/clarify this? KojieroSaske 04:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The original manga came first, then the anime, then another series of manga which repliates the anime came along - what in the west we would call a movie picture storybook. Karn-b 15:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Better Images

We need a better image of Suiseiseki and Souseiseki just to show their eyes. The current images have Suiseiseki only showing the side of her head, and Souseiseki has her eyes closed. --Bebopblue 15:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

ok I took some screenshots and added new pictures. How is it now? Ziiv 15:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Ruby?

Can anyone out there (or someone who knows German better than I do) find a reference for "Reiner Rubin" meaning "Royal Ruby" in Shinku's bio? Every German lexicon I've looked at implies "Pure Ruby", which is what we had earlier. I understand it sounds better than Pure Ruby and matches Shinku's character, but I haven't seen anything suggesting this translation. 24.4.105.240 11:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Reiner Rubin does indeed mean Pure Ruby.80.202.178.93 20:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geneon licenses Rozen Maiden

As revealed by Anime News Network on 1/14, Geneon has licensed the anime Rozen Maiden. Elwin Blaine Coldiron 00:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anime/Manga Split?

There are significant differences in both character detail and story line between the manga and the anime. Maybe we should be making the differences more obvious, by using additional headers within the article to indicate manga and anime specific information. The problem is that all the info seems to be intermingled...I was thinking of using headers within each area, but I tried it and it proved to be too unweildly. Any ideas on what we could do? Karn-b 17:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Split out the stuff that's different and just pool them in a "Differences between the Anime and the Manga" section? --Remy Suen 02:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Detective KunKun

While it remains to be seen whether others can confirm this for me, Detective KunKun to me is not so much a general parody of detective anime so much as a DIRECT parody of Furuhata Ninzaburo. I'm not sure how many people still remember the show (I fairly remember watching it in Chinese subtitles), but the pattern that each KunKun episode follows, along with the presence of his skeptical cat partner, and a 'flirtatious' female suspect at some point show an arguable degree of resemblance. 130.13.208.167 01:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] storyline articles

i think we should have seprate articles following the storylines of rtozen maiden overtüre, rozen maiden traümend and rozen maiden. i know all about rozen maiden overture and i could write a full article for the two episodes, i can also write a full article for rozen maiden traumend: the last episode. who thinks this is a great idea?

Sir aaron sama girl 22:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, we're trying to cut down on articles that are mostly just plot. See WP:WAF, WP:NOT#IINFO #7, and WP:EPISODE. -- Ned Scott 00:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

i just created a rozen maiden characters article, will that help too? or will it get deleted?

Sir aaron sama girl 00:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

on my user page is a rozen maiden episode 12 summary, put it on a rozen maiden traumed episode 12 article page so people can read what the episode is about.

Sir aaron sama girl 02:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seperate page for characters?

The main article is getting rather lengthy. Should List of Rozen Maiden Characters be created to help? --Anony 17:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Rozen Maiden Articles

i have crated four new rozen maiden articles:

List of Rozen Maiden Characters

Rozen Maiden Albums

Rozen Maiden images on this article's main page (Bara Shishou new image, an image tht shows all the dolls, not just two)


Rozen Maiden Traumend ep.11

and

Rozen maiden traumend final episode

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs).

The character list is probably an ok idea due to size, but I still don't think we should do episode articles. We're trying to break away from having too much plot summary without encyclopedia content. -- Ned Scott 05:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
About episode articles. Um, it seems many other anime articles have already produced episode lists. The one for Ah My Goddess happened to achieve feature status. KyuuA4 04:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
However, yes. No need to do individual articles for each episode. KyuuA4 04:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Merged Rozen Maiden Soundtracks with Rozen Maiden Albums. Soundtracks article had very little information on it, not to mention was outdated by now. I assume that there are no complaints? KojieroSaske 04:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Ugh, I ended up creating a character page as well because the character text remained on the main article. Thus, I presumed non-existence of one. By the way, a character page title: "Characters of" sounds better than "List of Characters" because of expanded content about the characters. Character pages are not just lists. KyuuA4 04:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

- I've linked the character page here simply under the heading 'characters'. change as see fit itakoaya

HEY! where is the Rozen Maiden Character page i created? i don't see it anywhere, and when i checked the history edits that 'characters of rozen maiden' page, i noticed that it isn't the one i created! what happened?

Sir aaron sama girl 20:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canon?

Is it known if any of the events in the Ouvertüre OVA's are considered canon to the manga? With the exception of the appearance of Enju and Shirosaki (who is actually Laplace who does appear in the manga) all the other events could definitely be tied in the the manga. -- Psi edit 00:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope. The manga and anime are two different universes. There are no links between them, and the stories have many, many major differences. Karn-b 13:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I figured as much. Suigintou will probably have her own past in the manga. -- Psi edit 18:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] before voices

i just got my first copy of rozen maiden, anyways... in the Rozen Maiden first drama CD, there were other actors voicing the characters:

  • Shinku - Horie Yui
  • Jun - Kobayashi Sanae
  • Nori - Hisakawa Aya
  • Suigintou - Noto Mamiko
  • Hinaichigo - Kaneda Tomoko
  • Tomoe - Kawasumi Ayako
  • Suiseiseki - Mizuki Nana
  • Laplace's Demon - Nakata Jouji

Sir aaron sama girl 20:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that has been noted in the CD section. Karn-b 13:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] jun's school problems

i now have all three english volumes of Rozen Maiden, anyways... in the manga...did jun do something embarrasing to not make him wanna go to school? in volume 3 of the english translation manga, i can tell that jun did something very gross to make him not wanna go back, in volume 3, while he was trying to reteve shinku's arm, he kept seeing his past, the time he left school, etc.

people were saying it was gross, or, at least that is what the writing said, what did he do? did he 'do it' with his teacher? it has to be something outragously gross!

the thing about jun doing something to make him not wanna go to school should be in the unresolved issues section, but i need more info about it!

Sir aaron sama girl 20:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It isn't an unresolved issue. In the manga, Jun is reluctant to go to school because he was teased and bullied when they found out his talent and skill at designing doll dresses. Karn-b 13:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

If you think about it the point of leaving the problem out is used in many differant stories, so either dissmiss the thoughts or worries that you have about it or just accept that it leaves it up to the imgination therefore allowing it to be "really bad" and if they did reveal it then someone might think that it was really quite embarasing and others may think that it is not that bad and that they have ahd worse and still continued living their lives normally... Just my thoughts, hope this puts your mind at rest Ericschulz 10:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relfio

uh, i'm wondering, is kukui a female singer, or a group of female singers, or is the group Relfio backup singers for each Rozen Maiden songs? i'm just wondering because in the songs sang by kukui, it sounds like Relfio are backup singers, and the songs sang for the Toumei Sheruta album sounds like Relfio singing as backups, to put it in a more easy way...

is kukui a one female singer with Relfio as backup singers, or are they seprate bands?

Sir aaron sama girl 18:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

kukui is a group, made up of Haruka Shimotsuki (vocal) and myu (music). "Toumei Shelter" sounds like kukui's songs because it is by the same people. Remember, the song was credited to refio + Haruka Shimotsuki?
Now about refio (not relfio, btw). refio was a group made up of riya and myu, but later riya formed the group eufonius with Hajime Kikuchi. I don't know if the group officially disbanded, but they have been inactive for a long time. I think myu was using refio as an alias or something for "Toumei Shelter" and Haruka Shimotsuki was hired to sing. Later they formed kukui. --Raica 07:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rozen Maidan <> Rozen Maiden Traumend desu

Rozen Maiden and Rozen Maiden Traumend is not two seasons of the same series. Rozen Maiden Traumend is a sequel series too Rozen Maiden. There's a difference. DJLarZ 18:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand your message. What difference is there in what you said. Traumend is the 2nd season of the Rozen Maiden anime. Oh maybe I do get what your trying to say. What is the difference of calling something a "second season" to calling the same thing a "second series"? But it's just definite that Traumend is the continuation of the Rozen Maiden anime. Just as "Black Lagoon: The Second Barrrage" is the continuation of the Black Lagoon anime. -- Psi edit 22:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Traumend continues the story from the first season without interruption. It's not a separate series. Ziiv 20:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rozen and the dolls

in the manga, it is said that rozen created the dolls because he wanted to give shape to alice, so he ended up with seven dolls, he wasn't satisfied, so he left them, shouldn't that be noted in the Characters of Rozen Maiden article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir aaron sama girl (talk • contribs) 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Rozen Maiden ended?

i know this isn't the right place to say it, but... Did the Rozen Maiden Mangas end? if i did, then i'm suprised, i thought it would last maybe ten volumes.

Sir aaron sama girl 01:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I think, there is possibility that Rozen Maiden will be continued at other magazine. She said that "The important information can not be announced until getting clearance from the parties"([1]). Anyway, we have nothing to do but wait.--Swind 06:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
It is ended for the time being, as noted in the article. Comic BIRZ still has the publication rights, and they've declared July is the finale. After that, another magazine can snap it up if Peach•Pit is still interested. I fully expect this to happen, considering Rozen Maiden is both hugely popular and Peach•Pit's best work. But until an announcement is made that it's being restarted elsewhere, it's officially over in July. I'd love to include more info in the article, but anything further is just speculation. Mal Bad 08:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

CHANGE OF PLANS: The Rozen Maiden Manga will be continued in Young Jump volume 20. It has been confirmed on desuchan.org (click on /ro/) and also on anime news networks [2]. Straight from the source: "This year's 17th issue (on sale on March 27) of Shueisha's Weekly Young Jump magazine will confirm the relaunch of Peach-Pit's Rozen Maiden manga in the 20th issue (on sale on April 17)." I hope that answered your question, lol. --Macdaddy5539 (talk) 06:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gothic Lolita?

Is it really appropriate to say that Shinku is dressed in Gothic Lolita style? By the show's own canon she's wearing authentic Victorian clothes. On top of that bright red doesn't seem particularly gothic lolita.Ziiv 13:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

  • It is a useful piece of information in terms of the context for the manga and anime when it was written. Hopefully, people will be reading these articles ten years ago and the question of "Why was this so popular?" is going to come up. Michael Hopcroft 05:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cicada's Shadow?

I have a question about Kukui's song, 'Empty Cicada's Shadow', is it refering to the bug or somekind of ghost? and, in that 'when cicadas cry' series, is the title refering to the bug or a spirit? Sir aaron sama girl 23:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

According to Japanese Wikipedia, utsusemi means a cicada's cast-off shell, and is an expression to refer to people living in this world. I think the connection comes from Buddhist philosophy. Mal Bad 07:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third season?

Will there be a third season (not counting Ouverture)? Has anything been officially said about the possibility of a third season?VDZ 16:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about the anime? Nothing is official yet, but Peach-Pit has announced that they are continuing the manga so chances for a 3rd season have skyrocketed. I expect it will happen in 6 months or less. --Macdaddy5539 (talk) 06:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ouverture OVA?

Are the Ouverture episodes true OVA's? They've been aired on tv and I thought OVA's were all straight to video releases (Orginal Video Anime). At least that's what the letters stand for right? --Arnizipal 17:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right. It shouldn't be labeled as OVA if it originally aired on TV as a special. I've edited OVA out. --EmperorBrandon 18:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terms Section

(cur) (last) 15:55, 24 July 2007 Karn-b (Talk | contribs) (30,468 bytes) (Undo:Ong elvin. I recommend that we discuss removing this section on the talk page, before information is taken out. Rationales would certainly be a good start.) (undo) (cur) (last) 13:54, 24 July 2007 Ong elvin (Talk | contribs) (26,159 bytes) (→Terms - Decided this part is not necessary. These terms are not relevant to an encyclopaedic article, and the people who want to know can find it within the anime/manga.) (undo)

That's from the history page. I would like to cite WP:NOT#TEXT and WP:NOT#INFO in favour of deleting that section. This section I feel teaches more than presents facts. Furthermore, the terms are already explained outright in the series itself, so anyone reading/watching doesn't need this section. On a related note, the Gaming Scope guidelines, while not quite in the same class, says in the second paragraph to generally eschew information if it is only relevant to people actually playing the game. Likewise, I would remove this section for the same reason. Ong elvin 03:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

You're right, we don't really need to be teaching people something they learn from watching the show. Some information might be good to keep as an example of certain concepts, but it would be better to integrate that information in other places in the article. I suggest cutting the whole section and pasting it here on the talk page, so we can pick and choose anything of value and put it back into the article, if need be. -- Ned Scott 04:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Moved the Terms section into here for the time being. Using the nowiki tag. Ong elvin 05:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

==Terms== [[Image:Junsdreamworld.JPG|thumb|right|Jun's dream world.]] ; Dream worlds : These places are mirrors of a soul, containing elements from old memories or representations of important items. Both humans and dolls have them. For example, Suigintou's dream world is an abandoned snowy city, Jun's dream world is flooded with broken computer monitors, and Shinku's dream world is a cozy Victorian house. The dream worlds of all living beings are connected via an enormous tree, and the gardener Rozen Maidens, Suiseiseki and Souseiseki, can traverse this at will using their artificial spirits. The more closely related two people are, the closer their "branches" on this tree are located. A person may be locked inside their dreams by Sui Dream or Lempicka, but the gardeners never do this as it would lead to insanity. [[Image:Junssoultree.JPG|thumb|right|Jun's soul tree.]] ; Soul trees : A special tree within an individual's dream world. Their size and growth reflects a person's lifeforce or mental state. The growth of soul trees can be assisted through the power of Suiseiseki's watering can and Souseiseki's scissors. This is demonstrated on Jun's tree in the anime to some extent by Suiseiseki alone, but the growth is hampered by weeds. She and her sister offer to fix Jun's tree, but it is determined that allowing him to grow on his own would be a far better choice.In the beginning in both the manga and the anime, Suseiseki calls Jun "chibi" due to his small sized soul tree. Later in the series as Suseiseki adapts to Jun, she stops calling him "chibi." [[Image:Suigintou'snfield.JPG|thumb|right|Suigintou's N-Field.]] ; N-Field : The N-Field (n のフィールド) (possibly "nth Field", due to mathematical references such as Laplace) is a region of space that is the domain of a Rozen Maiden, and contains elements that are characteristic to the doll it represents. It can only be accessed via some object that "has fragments of life" — often, this is the mirror in the storage room of the Sakurada residence, but various other objects have been used, such as Jun's computer screen. Every Rozen Maiden has an N-Field of her own, and she has a sort of home court advantage in her own Field, which can be offset by the power of a Medium. When a Rozen Maiden loses her Rosa Mystica, her N-Field is shut down, and the things within vanish from sight. [[Image:Detectivekun-kun.JPG|thumb|right|Detective Kun-kun.]] ; Detective Kun-kun :A puppet-based television series about a dog that solves crimes. The dolls that live with Jun are positively hooked on it, and Shinku's (formerly Jun's) shelves are crowded with the show's merchandise. This series-within-a-series appears to be satirizing such popular anime fare as [[Case Closed|Detective Conan (Case Closed)]] and [[Kindaichi Case Files]]. [[Image:Rosamystica.jpg|thumb|right|A Rosa Mystica that has been ejected from a doll.]] ; Rosa Mystica (plural Rosae Mysticae) : Rosa Mystica play an essential role in the Alice Game and are vital to the existence of every Rozen Maiden doll. They can be likened to a doll's soul. When a doll is defeated in battle, the Rosa Mystica will be ejected from the doll's body and that doll will be unable to move. Another Maiden can then absorb the Rosa Mystica, gaining the defeated doll's attack abilities and even the memories and thoughts of that doll. A defeated doll can also be revived by returning their Mystica to them. The original Rosa mystica was divided into seven pieces, afterwards giving a piece to each doll. [[Image:Artificialspirit.JPG|thumb|right|Pizzicato, Kanaria's artificial spirit.]] ; Artificial spirits : A companion entity that every Rozen Maiden has. It is in the form of a glowing speck of colored light that can fly around and assist the doll in battles. Only Suiseiseki and Souseiseki's artificial spirits have powers that can be used to help enter dreams and take physical shapes such as the watering can and the scissors. Others can also manipulate/repair material objects. Artificial Spirits can't talk but they do seem to understand orders when their master doll speaks to them and the dolls in turn seem to understand what they say. They can also transmit their master's voice on occasion, as shown in volume 6 of the manga with Hina-Ichigo's Berrybell. When their original master is defeated, the artificial spirit will join the winning doll. These spirits can also be given to another doll, as seen in the anime when Suigintou took them from Suiseiseki and Souseiseki.

[edit] Rozen Maidens and Country

I noticed the Rozen Maidens have forgein personalities. I wanted to say this months ago.

  • Suigintou - Japanese
  • Kanaria - Italian
  • Suiseiseki - American Girl
  • Souseiseki - Boyish American Girl
  • Shinku - German or British
  • Hinaichingo - French Little Girl
  • Kirakishou - Unknown
  • Barasuishou - Japanese

[edit] How to Make a Girl

Peach-Pit has released a Rozen Maiden one-shot manga called "How to Make a Girl" in Shueisha's Weekly Young Jump magazine. It's about how Shinku was made. They're also supposed to make an announcement regarding Rozen Maiden in the March 27 issue of Young Jump.

I think this should be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.22.26 (talk) 10:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-03-24/rozen-maiden-confirmed-to-restart-in-young-jump-mag It has been confirmed that the Rozen Maiden manga will continue in Young Jump Magazine next month. I'm not sure how to edit wiki articles, someone who does should really add this stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.22.26 (talk) 08:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manga Continuation Update

Well, I think the Manga section should be updated; at this moment, two new Chapters have been released in Youg Jump Magazine. Here you can see a "trial" of the first Volume published in April I think : http://yj.shueisha.co.jp/info/new_serial/ And on the official Young Jump site, for the 25th issue, they announce the 2nd volume : http://yj.shueisha.co.jp/ (browse down) I haven't read (and comprehended) the new manga, therefore it should be investigated so the article could be updated correctly. G0rth0r (talk) 04:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)