Talk:Royal and noble styles

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I call dibs on the transformation of Roman military titles> Germanic military titles > Germanic (i.e. medieval) heritable titles....at least till the 10th c.!! (Unless somebody else really wants it) JHK

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The titles -- styles -- of royalty, nobility, and gentry are subject to many difficulties. To some extent styles are both a matter of legal reality and of self representation.
topics to explore:
common titles of nobility - their origins
titles as heritable
titles as propaganda claims
the use of styles of nobility in Meiji Japan
the abolition of all titles (in some countries) in the modern era

-- Ruhrjung 13:35 29 May 2003 (UTC)

Well, I see that this was, in fact, an article at one point. If anyone wants to contribute, please do - there's much that could be done here. john 07:04 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)

--- What if anything can we add concerning the local princes here in Saudi Arabia? Some are HRH and others are just HH. There must be some sort of system. Paul, in Saudi

Hmm, no idea. I'd imagine something like children of a King are "HRH", and others are "HH", but don't quote me on that. john 18:34, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Infobox hrhstyles etc

Templates Infobox hrhstyles, Infobox scotlandkingstyles, Infobox_UKkingstyles and Infobox consortstyles have been listed for deletion. To comment on this, visit Wikipedia:Templates for deletion. — OwenBlacker 03:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archdukes of Austria

The article states that members of the Imperial house of Austria bore the traditional style "königliche und kaiserliche Hoheit". However, I just came across the style "kaiserliche und königliche Hoheit". Could someone back up this statement with a proper source. Gugganij 18:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

It is probably just a case of someone mixing the order up. They mean the same thing, basically. Charles 18:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hohenzollern Heir

In the Hohenzollern family, how come only the heir was given the style Imperial and Royal Highness? Why not the whole family like the Habsburgs? Emperor001 (talk) 19:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Because in the German Empire, only the German Emperor, German Empress, German Crown Prince and German Crown Princess held titles of imperial status, much like in the United Kingdom where the king and queen were Emperor and Empress of India without the rest of the family having Indian titles. The Prussian Royal Family did not have the titles "German Prince" or "Prince of Germany" and therefore did not constitute part of the Imperial Family unless they had one of the four previously mentioned titles. The heir of the family, as titular German Emperor, is entitled to an imperial style. Charles 22:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

I have suggested merging The Most High, Noble and Potent Prince and The Most Noble and Puissant Prince to Royal and noble styles#Noble styles in the United Kingdom and Hochwohlgeboren to Royal and noble styles#Noble styles in Germany, simply because those pages are this page is covered entirely by the scope of this article and they are little more than stubs which are is little more than a stub which is unlikely to expand further than what they are it is now. Unlike Highness, which has many, many derivatives, these styles are relatively few and this style is a single, simple form with few derivatives best dealt with on this page. Charles 22:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

All done. Charles 22:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Undone now, apparently. Cameron, please be sure to post on this page. Charles 16:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Hochwohlgeboren has been, and still is, an important part of German society. It merits an article of its own and should not be merged (especially if one doesn't transfer all the information so as to make sure that nothing goes lost). --Cameron (t|p|c) 16:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)