Talk:Royal Charter

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Contents 1 General comments 2 Most American colleges not by royal charter 3 American letters patent using charter language 4 Other comments 5 Correct title 6 Royal Charter and 'Royal' Prefix

[edit] General comments

Would it maybe be time to consider the proper relations and coordination between articles on Charter, Royal Charter, and Letters patent? --Johan Magnus 00:05, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I find the article unclear regarding whether the granting of a royal charter is itself a means of incorporation, or only the granting of a special status after incorporation. Perhaps someone suitably knowledgable can amended it The Angel of Islington 05:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

A number of American (i.e. United States of America) universities are listed in the Canada section.

[edit] Most American colleges not by royal charter

Several of the universities listed under "United States of America" never held royal charters and should not be listed there. Perhaps someone else can confirm this, but I am pretty certain that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton never held royal charters in their colonial history; they were non-conformit institutions. The only two that I am sure had royal charters were Kings College (now, Columbia) and William & Mary, which retains its special links to the Crown.

With the exception of Columbia and W&M, these colleges certainly held charters, but they were colonial charters granted by the colonial government. But there were not royal charters in the usual process of petititon and grant from Privy Council.

Oldwykehamist 04:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)oldwykehamist

I can confirm that Harvard and Yale did not receive royal charters, but I believe all the other colleges listed DID receive royal charters. The only possible exception is Brown, then the College of Rhode Island, which I believe was chartered by the colony, not the king in parliament. The chief reason Harvard and Yale sought to avoid royal charters was that they tended to open the college up to royal scrutiny and regulation. Ibidid (talk) 08:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Harvard did not receive a Royal Charter, but rather from the General Court of the colony itself, per Harvard's website: http://www.news.harvard.edu/guide/intro/index.html 12.150.185.195 (talk) 20:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Upon further research with the Privy Council Office in London, none of these universities received Royal Charters. In fact, it appears that at best, they received Letters Patent from the reigning monarch. See Wikipedia article on Letters Patent, but it appears that they are a much more common form of grant, and not nearly as significant as a Royal Charter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.150.185.195 (talk) 17:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Nor do those possessing Royal Charters necessarily claim to continue to operate under their authority. William & Mary, at least, discontinued operations around 1882. The institution now using the name was founded and chartered later by the Commonwealth of Virginia and continues to operate under the authority of that grant from the General Assembly, not the Crown. Dartmothian (talk) 14:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] American letters patent using charter language

Why would a colonial governor enhance his grant of letters patent with "charter" language if this might get him into trouble with the sovereign? For example, Governor John Wentworth's 1769 letters patent for Dartmouth College was "recorded in the book of Charters" of the colony of New Hampshire:

we have willed given granted constituted and ordained and by this our present Charter of our special grace certain knowledge & mere motion with the advice aforesaid DO for us our heirs and successors forever will give grant constitute & ordain that there shall be in the said DARTMOUTH COLLEGE from henceforth and forever a body politick consisting of Trustees of said Dartmouth College.

The "we" refers to Wentworth. --Greener08 (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other comments

The Royal Charter sank in the year 1851 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.61.166 (talk) 17:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Correct title

The correct Title of this Article is Royal charter. Some of the Capitalizations in it need to be fixed. --Wetman (talk) 05:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Charter and 'Royal' Prefix

On the Hong Kong and Ireland sections, the institutions listed are merely said of having the 'Royal' prefix. The Irish institutions concerned, such as the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, were granted Royal Charters. But in the case of Hong Kong, I am pretty sure that Police Force and the Royal Observatory were established by local legislation, and I guess the Royal Hong Kong Auxiliary Air Force was raised by either local legislation or imperial legislation (through order in council perhaps?)

The three clubs may have been granted charters, but the history of their websites didn't mention 'Royal Charters' at all. However, the Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club's site did mentioned that they applied to the Admiralty 'for permission to call the Club "The Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club" and to fly the blue ensign with a distinctive mark on the flag. A warrant was granted by the Lords of the Admiralty on 15th May 1894.'[1]I can make sense of applying to the Admiralty to fly the blue ensign with a distinctive mark, but how about the Royal Prefix of the club and the charter?

And I suppose the granting of Royal Charter and the granting of 'Royal' prefix are two different things although both of them are royal Prerogative, I intuitively think the former is the power to grant charters of incorporation and the latter is the power to confer dignity and honours?Jsernest (talk) 02:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)