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Contents 1 Doubts about guilt 2 www.rotten.com 3 Inconsistancy in article 4 GazMan7 5 Links 6 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Doubts about guilt

I do feel that this page needs to be edited to refelect the very considerable doubts surrounding Rosemary West's guilt. A great deal has been written about the complete lack of evidence linking her to the murders at Cromwell Street and her conviction seems to be based on little more than the idea that "She Must Have Known" (see Brian Masters' 1996 book). She was really only put on trial at all because the main suspect (Fred West) committed suicide before he could be convicted. The police had never intended to prosecute her and clearly only did so because of the enormous public appetite for retribution fed by overwhelming and highly prejudicial media coverage. There can be few more blatant and high profile miscarriages of justice than this in British legal history.

Yes, I couldn't agree more. The use of "similar fact" evidence was plain wrong and this proved enormously powerful in misdirecting the jury. Apparently Justice Mantell was not corrected at the time! She was not even charged with murder at the start of the process; only when Fred killed himself.

Crazy really.84.64.183.94 11:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I thought the Doubt section was very POV myself, but as no one else seems to have found it objectionable, I'm leaving it alone. I am removing "though it is possible that the Wests may have murdered men and boys as well." Sure, it's possible. Anything is possible. However, no evidence or sources are presented to indicate that this is likely.24.131.12.228 08:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Rose West was arrested and charged jointly for the murders BEFORE Fred West's suicide. Why else was she on remand at the time of his death! This simple fact blows a hole in the hypnosis that Rose was a scapegoat for her husband's crimes. Personally, I think this whole article has been scewed by the dubious credibility of the Brian Masters book. --Ade myers 15:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] www.rotten.com

I feel the addition of www.rotten.com as a link is totally unjustworthy and frankly, sickening, hence my removal of it.

--Porterjoh 21:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistancy in article

There is an inconsistancy in the article at the start it states that Rose West was involved in the killing of Fred Wests first wife; later in the article it states that she was involved in only ten murders not twelve one of the other two being Fred Wests first wife.

Text: Convicted of ten murders, including her daughter Heather, stepdaughter Charmaine and her husband and fellow serial killer Fred West's first wife, and a series of sexual assaults between 1969 and 1994.

Later on (other victims) Text: Rose West was convicted of ten murders and the police have concluded that her late husband Fred murdered a total of twelve, but Rose played no part in the first two murders. Fred West killed Ann McFall alone in 1967 and his first wife in August 1971.

I agree. There's also the inconsistency of the authoratative assertions about her sexuality and the reasons for the abductions/murders (her satisfaction), and the later sections casting doubt on the validity of her conviction. IMO if assertions such as those made early on are to stand, they must be backed up by a reliable source. For instance, I don't think people's sexual orientation should be included unless there is very good evidence (preferably a statement by the individual), and the stuff about her offspring being the product of soliciting black men also needs to be backed up. Anchoress 10:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GazMan7

I have no special knowledge of the activities of therse people BUT GazMan7 claims that this sort of 'fact' is not allowed on the University of Bedfordshire site, so why is he using it here. So GazMan7, how abouts some honesty and consistency?

If you care to join and log in then maybe you would have more credability. Please stop vandalising articles. GazMan7 11:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason for you to claim credibility. You vandalise the University of Bedfordshir's page by deleting many of the less favorable comments. Gazman7 is hardly more informative than an ip address and is in many respects less informative!

This is not the talk page for Uni of Bedfordshire. If you check the talk page discussion, on that page you will see why the various comments were deleted. 1 they were unencyclopedic, 2 they breached copyright. Also each time you (presumably Alfred) revert the details of student numbers, that is vandalism. If you check my contributions you will see that i edit many different articles rather than vandalise a couple. Please stop.GazMan7 09:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

There are many articles for this guy, some may also be useful, but it may be disrespectful to the person and may be not good to show them, should we? But she seems not so respectful for her behaviours e.g.FRED AND ROSE WEST(with many photos and references and interviews of Rosemary, Nicci French - Nicci Gerrard(old review with some lucky victims experiences), True Tales Number 5: Trapped in a House of Horrors, , Fred and Rosemary West, [http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/274385/folie_a_deux_part_two_frederick_and.html Folie a Deux Part Two: Frederick and Rosemary West - Associated ... ], rosemary west(info of the trials in ginfo), and various news in post or in the web(e.g. www.Findarticles.com, and a news article with letter by her to her children about refusing to contact them after they ask her about what happen in the house)about her.Freedom76192m 20:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)