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I myself feel VERY strongly that the name of the article should be changed to Roscoe Arbuckle, or at the very least Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle. "Fatty" was a character, not his name- unlike Buster Keaton he did not adopt the nickname- his friends never used it. (To draw an analogy, it seems that everyone in the news media says Louis "Scooter" Libby, but on Wikipedia the article heading is Louis Libby). I would make the change, but somehow I can't find how to do it.Saxophobia 18:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


Roscoe hated the nickname Fatty and used it only for professional purposes. There is also a piece on how Virgina Rappe was seriously ill for weeks before the infamous party.

Why did User:Kingturtle delete the additional further reading? I, Fatty is a resent book about Roscoe Arbuckle. Isfisk 10:03, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] autograph

What's the point in having a photo of his signature? Dystopos 16:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

its fairly intresting- nothing to apparently get worked up about tali 25/02/06

[edit] $ 1 million contract?

In the Charlie Chaplin article is mentioned that he was the first to earn $ 1 million a year (1917). Who was the first? Can somebody answer this question? Thanks, Alexander 84.154.4.109 09:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Charges from the Rappe incident

Why were the specifics of the charges against Arbuckle removed from the article? Specifically, that he was accused of having raped Rappe with a champagne bottle and crushed her with his weight? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


"having raped Rappe with a champagne bottle" - thought it was a coke bottle? tali25/02/06

[edit] Not Buried

See this - http://silent-movies.org/Arbucklemania/Burial.html

[edit] Biased sentence

The following sentence doesn't seem to be neutral: "Newspapers, particularly those controlled by William Randolph Hearst, made a fortune endlessly crucifying Arbuckle in spurious and surreally vicious articles and editorials (the New York Times stated that Rappe was lucky to be crushed to death during the rape before having to consciously endure "a fat man's foulness")."

In particular, the phrase, "made a fortune" is biased. While it may be true that people bought more papers because of this type of reporting, do you think that that phrase belongs in this type of article? --Misterfilmgeek 18:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The divorces

Telling the reader that Arbuckle's wives sued for divorce on the grounds of "desertion" and "cruelty" is hardly neutral, given that at the time parties to a divorce had to show just cause, and claimed "desertion" and "cruelty" as a matter of course.

[edit] Pseudonym

This matter doesn't justify an entire paragraph, nor the aggrieved tone.

That is your (anonymous) opinion, and I'm still sticking to my guns. I want the title of this article changed or modified, and there is no good reason why it shouldn't be.Saxophobia 23:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title of article- suppress the "Fatty"

I move that the title be changed to Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle, or at least "Fatty" Arbuckle. Arbuckle detested being called Fatty, and when he had control of his own films he made certain that his credits read Roscoe Arbuckle and that "Fatty" appeared only in quotes and referred only to the character he played. Saxophobia 10:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Tough call, Sax, but I lean towards renaming the article just Roscoe Arbuckle, with a redirect from Fatty Arbuckle. Encyclopedia and library catalogs seem to favor this. My second choice would be Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle. Last choice would be the present title. Rizzleboffin 00:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It's good to see that someone reads this, maybe one of the editors will make the change. Arbuckle went through enough in life, he shouldn't have "Fatty" hanging over his head in an encyclopedia article.Saxophobia 01:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hays office

Did the Hays team ban his films before or after the scandal? Was the ban ever lifted? Did the ban actually cause studios and theater chains to destroy the copies of his films? What exactly was the "ban"? Tempshill 16:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

  • The ban was announced on April 18, 1922 and another statement lifting the ban was issued December 20 of the same year. I'm not sure if it's the full text, but here's the quote from Will Hays outlining the agreement to embargo Roscoe's films with his studio.[1]Joe JJC 20:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proof of the Pancho anicdote

While doing some research on Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle, I found an (article [2]) that mentions the banana incident: however, the source paper is the Independent; which, as far as I can tell, is a tabloid. Should we give the Independent the benefit of the doubt and use them as a source anyway?Jopari 14:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, they'd hate to hear themselves called a tabloid. By the looks of it, they reference the banana story only as a movie legend, not as anything they haveproof of... JustIgnoreMe 23:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yesterday and Today

80 years ago, the case that Roscoe Arbuckle fought is mild compared to today's Hollywood scandals.

The scandle was reported through newspapers and reels of the day. They were few and far between and sensationalized accounts. It was left to the readers and viewers to fill in the blanks between reports. (Today, we can see news minute by minute or day to day)

Fatty Arbuckle's career ended after he was accused and then acquitted in the death of Virginia Rappe. It was shown that she died from a ruptured bladder and secondary peritonitis. (The peritoneum is the container of abdominal organs)

Arbuckle's accuser, Maude Delmont wasn't present for any of the events she described and was not called to testify. Delmont testified that Arbuckle used a Coca-Cola or champagne bottle on Rappe. There is no way in this universe that a bottle of any kind could be used via the vagina to rupture a bladder or peritineum.

The accuser, Delmont had been involved in crimes of extortion, fraud, racketeering and bigamy.

If the Arbuckle/Rappe case was today, we would see a different picture.

We would see an every-day picture of La-La-Land. --The One and Only Worldwise Dave Shaver 02:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaxdave (talk • contribs)