Talk:Romanian verbs

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[edit] Future tense, popular

There are several so-called "popular" ways to put a verb in the future tense. The two widespread forms use the subjunctive and an additional auxiliary:

am să fac ai să faci are să facă avem să facem aveţi să faceţi au să facă
o să fac o să faci o să facă o să facem o să faceţi o să facă

Sources:

Although I did hear the form "or să facă", I suspect it is a mixture of "o să facă" with "vor face", possibly in order to avoid a disagreement in number. — AdiJapan ☎ 14:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected -- thank you, AdiJapan! (for future reference, the above is AJ's explanation for his revert on a change I made recently.) --Gutza T T+ 16:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Past participle and adjectives

There is a small inaccuracy in the article:

"Verbs in the past participle usually behave like adjectives, and thus must agree in number, gender, and case with the noun they determine."

When a verb in the past participle agrees with a noun, it is not a verb but an adjective obtained from the past participle form of the verb ("participial adjective"). This can be easily seen within the table of conjugations: wherever the conjugation asks for the past participle form of the verb, the form used is always the correct, non-agreeing form (e.g. "ea să fi făcut" not "ea să fi făcută"; "ei au făcut" not "ei au făcuţi").

I shall delete the phrase above and make the appropriate corrections within the table to reflect this. If there are any objections, post them and I will look for a source for the correction. Reject 666 6 (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What about the passive voice? If you turn the active voice "Copilul desenează casa" into its passive voice equivalent "Casa e desenată de copil", we're still talking about verbs, not adjectives, but the form depends on gender and number. Also, please check out what the dictionaries say about the participle: "Mod verbal impersonal şi nepredicativ, cu forme deosebite după gen şi după număr, denumind acţiunea suferită de un obiect." [1]
I agree that some details should be given about when the feminine and plural forms are used, but simply deleting any mention of this peculiarity of the participle them doesn't solve things. — AdiJapan ☎ 14:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)