Talk:Rolling stock
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[edit] Example of usage
See London Underground rolling stock and Ffestiniog Railway rolling stock for examples of usage -- both powered and unpowered railway vehicles. Kahuzi 00:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Definition
- Checked Concise Oxford Dictionary (1990 edition), which defines "rolling-stock" to include locomotives. Kahuzi 10:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but rolling stock does not include locomotives see these links which refer to locomotives and rolling stock [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. G-Man * 21:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Let's be very clear. Here is the Compact Oxford Dictionary entry [6]. The full OED entry is better because it provides clear examples, going back into the nineteenth century, for the use of the term "rolling stock" to include all the assets of a railway company which move (as opposed to those that are fixed) but I can't provide a link because it's a subscription service. None of the web sites quoted above give a clear definition, and whilst some users of the term may have fallen into the habit of using "rolling stock" in a way that excludes locomotives this is clearly not, and never has been, the generally understood meaning of the term. The suggestion that the definition includes some powered rail vehicles (e.g. multiple units), and not others, is just illogical. I shall revert now. Kahuzi 20:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
That is clearly not its meaning today, which is relevant to a modern encyclopedia article. G-Man * 20:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- How is it then, if you are right, that the ROSCOs, (British Rolling Stock Leasing Companies), lease locomotives as well as other rolling stock? Kahuzi 20:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Kahuzi, the term, at least some of the time, is used to include all moving assets of a railway (hence the term "rolling stock"). G-Man, I'd make a couple of points. First Wikipedia articles should cover the historical as well as present use of terms. Second, Wikipedia is international, and the term "rolling stock" is used to include locos in some countries. Finally, "rolling stock" is used inclusively on several heritage railways I am part of, for example the Ffestiniog Railway. A compromise might be to note in the article that this term does not have a universally agreed meaning. For example, we could say "Rolling stock is a collective term used to describe the vehicles which move on a railway. It usually includes the locomotives, and railroad cars, coaches and wagons, though sometimes only refers to non-locomotive stock" or something similar. Gwernol 20:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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- That is not the definition used by Network Rail. See this document [7]. ] which refers specifically to Traction and Rolling Stock suggesting that traction (i.e locomotives) are not considered to be rolling stock. That said if there is no universally accepted meaning of the term then this should be said in the article. G-Man * 21:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Actually that document I think nicely sums up the dual use of the term. Apparently network rails Rolling Stock acceptance process covers both Rolling Stock and Traction Stock. In other words within the same sentence it uses "rolling stock" to refer to both include and exclude locomotives. I think the only reasonable way forward is to note that the term is used in both ways and inconsistently at that... Gwernol 21:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- That is not the definition used by Network Rail. See this document [7]. ] which refers specifically to Traction and Rolling Stock suggesting that traction (i.e locomotives) are not considered to be rolling stock. That said if there is no universally accepted meaning of the term then this should be said in the article. G-Man * 21:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
