Talk:Roller skating

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[edit] Artistic Skating not even mentioned?

There is a huge, international community of artistic competitive roller skaters, who have the same competitive skating events that ice skaters have. These roller skaters skate figures, free-style, pairs, dance, and free dance, and even dress in similar competition outfits. They hold Nationals and World's competitions, and they are in the Pan American Games. Since this group of athletes has been active for around a century, you may assume that this information would fit into any quad-skating category you may provide; however, I think it's big enough to warrant a category of its own. This very important segment of the skating world has been completely ignored in the article, although links to some of their organizations are provided. http://www.usarollersports.org/vnews/display.v/SEC/FIGURE%20SKATING Indeed, a disproportionate amount of space has been given to in-line skating considering how recently it came into existence, and particularly in view of the exclusion of artistic roller skating. --Catwoman07076 11:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Polyurethane

There is no mention of wheel materials in the article, the use of polyurethane surely being a highly significant development in the history of skating. Perhaps a knowledgeable contributor could rectify this. Spiridens 06:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Removed Section In Agressive Skating

It read like an advertisement for a particular brand of skate. Completely irreverent, didn't fit the context of the section. It's gone now. 24.247.219.140 12:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC) C.M.


[edit] Rollerblade

Rollerblade should say something about the company rather than simply redirect to roller skating. Many people (including large business and govts making warning signs) use the term "Rollerblade" when they mean something more general. Tom Brown 10:31, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Agreed

Never used the Talk option before, so my apologies if this is not in proper form.

I agree that "Rollerblade" should talk about the company as well as link to this page.

I also think we should add some content in there such as skate maintenance, a list of skate companies (like K2, Rollerblade, etc), a more detailed history of skating, a more detailed page on aggressive/street skating (my specialty), and links to other useful content like "skate wheels" and "skate bearings".

Ofcourse, I'm very new to Wikipedia, so I have no idea how to do any of that - but I've been rollerblading for well over a decade, so I can provide as much content as necessary to make it happen.

--Miketwo 01:57, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I changed rollerblade and added comments to Talk: aggressive skating. I'm new to Wikipedia too but have worked with Wiki's before. Just make changes. Adding info about wheels and bearings sounds like a good idea though I'm not sure how to organize overlap vs disjoint info between inline and skateboarding. For example, cleaning bearings and existance of youth cultures are similar, but many differences exist. (Miketwo, have you been rollerblading or inline skating for >10yrs? :-P) Tom Brown 05:09, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects and Organization

I really think who ever put this page together and all these redirects together has no idea what they are talking about. Inline skating and rollerskating are two completely different activities. Within inline skating alone there are many completely unrelated categories that deserve their own pages or articles. Providing links to each other would be reasonable, but to lump it all together like this just proves who ever wrote this has no clue. If it were up to me I would completely delete all of the current pages and start from scratch.
- Alan Hughes


Tom, while I can understand Rollerblade's desire to not have their trademark violated, and your desire to educate people that the use of rollerblade (rollerblading, blading, bladers, etc..) is technically wrong, I think we should write this encyclopedia with the audience in mind. If it's a frequent misuse of the word, then you know "someone" is going to come into Wikipedia, type "rollerblading" in the search engine, and be very confused if they don't get the inline skating page (and instead get something on the Rollerblade company).

So I propose this kind of massive re-organization:

Have single general "Roller Skating" page, with subsections "History", "Quad Skating", and "Inline Skating" (plus others, but that's later on). Then set up the redirects and links as follows:

(note: when i use a "/s" or "/ing", I mean the plural and the gerund - eg. skate/s/ing = skate and skates and skating)

The search/linked words --> destination

skate/s/ing --> disambuguity page

inline skate/s/ing, blading (but not blades!) --> "Roller Skating#Inline Skating"

rollerblading--> Roller Skating#Inline Skating, but with boilerplate text at top describing TM misuse

rollerblade/s--> disambuguition link to Inline Skating at top. content describing the company and trademark (mis)use

roller skate/s/ing --> "Roller Skating"

quad skate/s/ing --> "Roller Skating#Quad Skating"

Also, the current "Roller Skate" page should be incorported into "Roller Skating", or should at least be confined to talking only about the details of the quad skates themselves (i.e. no history of skating). We are duplicating effort here by having two well-written histories of skating, when it could all be on one good page.

Finally, on the "Blades (disambiguation)" page, we should put a link such as "Blades is slang for rollerblades"

I know it's "incorrect" to use the term rollerblading in that way, but let's get the end user to the page they want to see (roller skating#inline skating) and THEN, on that page, educate them about the misuse of the word rollerblade.

It's a fairly large proposed re-org, which is why I want to bring it up on the talk page first. I want to iron out the organization in here and then do it. Please feel free to add/change my search --> destination chart above. Once we all seem to agree on a good organization, we can start moving things around and altering redirects. Soon we'll have the best roller skating article ever!!! We will be featured in Wikipedia's brilliant prose, and will be the envy of generations to come.

Maybe.

--Miketwo 16:11, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

I agree that people searching for rollerblade/s/ing likely want inline skating but do not think we should promote TM abuse by automatically forwarding to inline skating (even if it includes info about the incorrect use of the TM). People searching for rollerblade/s/ing should be clearly told about the TM. I don't think more than a 5-7 words about the misuse of the word rollerblade belongs on roller skating#inline skating, a detailed discussion is appropriate at Rollerblade or RB (??).
We seem to be making a similar choice as between 2 and 3 at Disambiguation#Types_of_disambiguation with the rollerblading redirect. I have made a larger link at Rollerblade, but perhaps you would rather make it a strict disambiguation page and move detailed talk of the TM and company to one of Rollerblade (trademark) or Rollerblade (company).
I changed the layout in your chart, but would also be happy with any option described in my paragraph above.
Tom Brown 16:58, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I disagree that we'd be "promoting" TM abuse (because the term is already so widespread), but how about a compromise. On the disambiguation page you cited (great link btw!), I found this part: which says
"Do not disambiguate, or add a link to a disambiguation page, if there is no risk of confusion. Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes "Go", would they expect to view any of the articles listed on the disambiguation page?"
So if we take that as a starting point, we end up with this:
Rollerblading means the user almost definitely wants inline skating, so we should send them there.
Rollerblade and rollerblades can equally mean the company/product or the type ("inline skates"). I propose that we make the company the "primary topic" in this case, meaning that (as you have suggested above) we have a "disambuguition link to Inline Skating at top. content describing the company and trademark (mis)use".
Finally, in both articles, at the top, we can have some common boilerplate text saying something like "use of the word rollerblade to mean inline skating is discouraged because it's a form of Trademark Dilution".
I've updated the little chart above as well. But how's that sound to you?
--Miketwo 18:11, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me. Technically the company says use "TRADEMARKS ARE NEVER VERBS. WRONG: rollerblading. RIGHT: in-line skating, skating." but I agree with reasoning. Someone can always change it later. I don't think inline skating needs a big link to rollerblade. The existing "frequently and incorrectly called rollerblading" seems fine. Good luck sorting out the aggressive skating pickle. Tom Brown 08:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ok. I finished changing the redirects and updating Roller skating with some History. It's good to have a concentration of people working on one main page, and then creating spinoff pages (aggressive skating, inline soccer, etc.) as necessary. Feel free to test the search engine, cause chances are I screwed up at least one thing. =p
--Miketwo 14:58, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

THIS PAGE DEFINATELY NEEDS SOME WORK REGARDING HISTORY AND WHAT IS QUAD SKATING -ROLLER SKATING> THE PAGE MAKES REFERENCES TO QUADS BUT THERE IS NO HISTORY OR DEFINITION. QUADS CREATE CONTEXT FOR INLINES BUT THERE IS NO EXPLANATION OF QUADS> I WILL ADD A QUAD SECTION SINCE ROLLER SKATING WAS ONLY QUADS FOR DECADES, what a disappointing page :: --Hardballhock 14:58, Jun 06, 2006 (UTC)

Who sets the redirects? I think it would be good to redirect Rollerblade(s)(ing) to a disambiguation page that lists the company page and to inline skating. It would also be good to include a comment in inline skating on the trademark misuse. - Bill Fuhrmann

[edit] Robert Henley

I de-wikified the Robert Henley link as it pointed to a completely different Robert Henley. I was going to write another article about the Robert Henley who invented the ball-bearing skate, then disambiguate, etc. But I can't find anything about Robert other than that he invented the skate -- so perhaps an article is unnecessary for the moment. OTOH, his uncle, Micajah Henley, was an early producer of skates (the "Chicago Skate") [1] so perhaps an article on Micajah, with mention of Robert's contribution, would be relevant. I can't write one today, but I will try to do it later, or if someone else gets to it first, and wants to do it, feel free. ManekiNeko | Talk 21:22, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I just did a bunch of cleanup; copyediting, writing new material, etc. I tried to make the page more inclusive; though inlines have been popular for the last 15-20 years, quads are still used and were the roller skate for a century, so I included quads in places where it seemed appropriate. (I am both a quad and an inline skater and have competed on both.) I expanded the quad section a bit since there is no page for quad skates, so until we separate that material out into its own article, it needs to be here. I also removed the cleanup tag as it seemed ok to do that now.

One thing -- the quintessence skates so prominently mentioned in the article? I did a google search. There are very few references to "quintessence skate" in Google (39 if you leave out dupes) and the vast majority of those are mirrors of this article. So I don't think the q-skate is one of the "three kinds of skates" -- it just doesn't have that kind of notability. I changed the article to refer to the two kinds of skates, quad and inline, but I left in a mention that there are some other less-common variants like the quintessence skate. ManekiNeko | Talk 09:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

History update -- some of the information in the History section seemed to be contradicted by info in the History of Roller Skating reference book, now that I finally pulled it off the shelf to check. I edited the article a bit, both to expand what was there, and to reflect the facts from the book. I trust the book more than I trust the web page that included some of the earlier data... ManekiNeko | Talk 23:10, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Free skating

I just removed a paragraph from the Free Skating section that was a good description of a particular technique (cess slide); I removed it because it seemed kind of random. We don't have a list of all the various techniques from any of the other kinds of skating here, and there didn't seem to be any particular reason to focus on this one technique. (Also, is that a "free skating" technique or just a general aggressive technique? It might have been in the wrong place anyway.) Now, if there is an article about Free Skating, that might be a good place to put such a list. I made a link to Free skating (inline) so someone can start a free skating article. (It's named Free skating (inline) because free skating is also the name for one of the disciplines of ice skating.) -- ManekiNeko | Talk 01:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, about that. Freeskating is an off shoot of free running and parkour right?

[edit] copyright violation

The revision as of 07:07, 2 May 2006 inserts a massive chunk of text in the "Aggressive skating" section which is attributed to "www.anti-rocker.com". I'm no expert, but can see no licensing information anywhere around Daniel Barlow 16:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pics and stuff

I've added some more pics. There weren't any on the page of non-inline skates, and that wasn't good. Also, more pics of skates in general were needed, since the skates themselves redirect to this article. ENpeeOHvee 19:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LandRollers

There is no mention at all of the new style of roller skate made by LandRoller (http://www.landroller.com). These skates are neither quad skates nor in-line skates and should be mentioned in order for readers to be knowledgeable about the continued evolution of roller skate and latest developments in equipment. Gary 20:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Category of Quad Skating Added

In all my years of skating I have never seen any listing or description of Quad Freestyle Dance Skating (locally known as Funk Skating). It evolved from Roller Disco and Jam Skating but is of a different nature and quality than these. It seems to be an obscure and, sadly, dying form of skating and is such a unique sub-class of Quad skating that it deserves to be documented and a record of it's existence preserved. In order to understand how this activity merits special recognition one must first understand the physics produced by Quads, followed by an explanation of their application and effects on rhythm skating. A key ingredient and mover of this type of skating is the music. It mostly always has a prominent baseline and the aim is to synchronize to the beat. A spontaneous unrehearsed type of freestyle Shadow Skating results. It is a non-competitive activity that is not concerned with doing "tricks". If anyone has done or knows of this kind of skating, your observations and input would be valued. Tano 01:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] incorrect info

i'm a quad roller skater whos been skating for 5 years and some of this stuff is incorrect —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madcow 93 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Rollerwars Info

There is a sport/forthcoming tv show, Rollerwars, which involves rollerblading? and is a combination of basketball/wresling/american football on rollerskates inside a giant inflatable set.

check out www.rollerwars.com

It was designed as a TV series.

As I worked on it ( I worked on the design of the inflatable) I have not included it in the main section, lest i get into "trouble" but some fellow Wikipedians might want to add references/info.

[edit] Clean up External links

There seems to be a lot of external links on this site, many of which seem to be spam (WP:SPAM). It would be better if someone with more knowledge of the subject and WP policy actually did the clean up.Hammer1980·talk 11:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge anti-rocker info

In December 2007 it was proposed that Anti rockers be merged into this page. That article was a single paragraph without any context, explaining what anti-rockers were. The merge proposal wasn't properly formed (the proposer didn't add the merge tag to this page) but it seems uncontroversial so I have carried out the merge, added the info as a paragraph in "Aggressive inline skating" and redirected "Anti-rocker" to this article.

Am happy to discuss if anyone disagrees. Euryalus (talk) 23:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Too many tricks!

Is it necessary to have that huge list of tricks? It doesn't concern those of us reading the article for information about rollerskates and it makes the article awfully long and cumbersome. I think it belongs elsewhere. Southsailor (talk) 16:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)