Talk:Roland Freisler

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: I think the article is weak. As noted a citation is needed for Freisler. Though not impossible in the chaos of post WWI Germany, the sudden conversion of a "fanatical communist" to a Nazi, needs a reference. The problem is compounded when the movie's subtitle has Sophie's communist handmaid say that Freisler, "as a Soviet Commissar, will need to put on a good show for his rehabilitation." This is significant because this film is the 2nd on the White Rose. The 1st, titled "The White Rose," was a perfectly fine film. This raises the question, why the need for a second film? To pass critical muster as a film of historical biography, "Sophie Scholl: The Last Days," must show itself free of factitious anti-communist intent. The "White Rose" has a number of spoken references to linking up with communist resistance circles, and a vivid scene of Sophie colluding with a female Russian P.O.W. to plant duds in the shells they're assembling at the munitions plant. In contrast this film takes great pains to distance the White Rose from communists, and to paint the youth in distinctly nationalist hues, representing the submerged conscience of a "German people" yearning beneath the surface to break free of totalitarianism. It seems this film ought to be controversial as a post-DDR remake, analogous to "The Lives of Others," and "Goodbye, Lenin" (anti-ostalgie and ostalgie films respectively). At the least a credible citation is needed re Freisler. Otherwise it ought to be scrapped or tagged as "controverted" in some way. Rmontgomery 03:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)RMontgomeryRmontgomery 03:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC) (edit)

imho, the excerpt from the questioning quoted in the article does not show any methodology, the guy just abuses the count. But I don't want to remove that significant a part from an article without a second opinion, so I'm asking for comments on that one. Any objections?

And, I'm not sure about the proceedings of the Volksgerichtshof, but removing belts, suspenders and neckties sounds like a perfectly normal way to treat prisoners, not a special way "to make them ridiculous".

Freisler had people even remove their denture, clearly on purpose to humiliate them. David 62.224.199.122 06:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

They mean before the trail, where it would be recorded for show in the news. These man where given horribly old clothing, not of the right size. Thus, without belts or supsenders they had nothing to hold up their trousers, end making them look ridiculous.

Also I have trouble believing that the Nazis would be dumb enough to put a guy who quotes the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland in court (as claimed in the next paragraph) in charge of important trials like the one against the White Rose people. Are there any reliable sources for this? Eliot Stearns 16:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Since no one objected, I removed the mentioned quote now. Criticism of course welcome... Eliot Stearns 18:58, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't object to the removal of an unattributed quote, but I find your statement, I have trouble believing that the Nazis would be dumb enough a bit odd. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities that they could have put anybody at all in charge of the court. There are certainly mountains of evidence of some far dumber acts on the part of the Nazis...um, genocide? ethnic cleansing? just to name two. --Easter Monkey 01:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I can see your point, of course the Nazi ideology is against everything humanity should be. But I don't think genocide has anything to do with the Nazis being stupid in the sense of clownish maniacs dancing through the courtroom and screaming "off with his head!". A profound lack of ethics and human behaviour is not the same as obviously making a fool of yourself in a formal context - and in being formal and restrictive, they were experienced, I'd say.

And, for clarity, the quote I removed on Oct. 19th was the excerpt from an interrogation I mentioned in my first paragraph above, not the Alice in Wonderland one. Sorry for being ambiguous. Eliot Stearns 19:57, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

A connotation to Freisler's death: Since my english is not so brilliant, i don't want to mess around in the article. In newer german literature it is mentioned, that Freisler didn't die in his cellar, but was struck by a piece of a bombshell. Interestingly, a passing doctor was asked to treat Freisler, but he declared Freisler to be dead. Still he refused to sign a death certificate. He - the doctor - was on his way to Freisler's boss (Thierack, Minister of Justice) to plea for mercy for his brother - who was sentenced to death shortly before that incident. This is described in a book "Der Hinrichter" from 1993 by Helmut Ortner(citation can be found - in german - at http://www.zeit.de/2005/06/A-Freisler?page=5 ) Anyone keen to look for an english source? David 62.224.199.122 06:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

So why didn't you correct the article on that important point, citing your sources? If your English is not brilliant, someone else will fix it. JBarreto 16:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)