Talk:Roger Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.

Biography Portal

Start

This article has been rated as start-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ]

[edit] Earl of Norfolk

The article says that he is sometimes counted as Earl of Norfolk, but he probably was never actually created earl and refers to his son Hugh as Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk. Why is Roger Bigod then also listed as 1st Earl of Norfolk? Havard 16:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bigod, "Bigot"

Is his "surname" related to the roots of the word "bigot"? 207.202.227.125 01:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Not according to this:

bigot - 1598, from M.Fr. bigot, from O.Fr., supposedly a derogatory name for Normans, the old theory (not universally accepted) being that it springs from their frequent use of O.E. oath bi God. Plausible, since the Eng. were known as goddamns in Joan of Arc's France, and during World War I Americans serving in France were said to be known as les sommobiches (see also son of a bitch). But the earliest Fr. use of the word (12c.) is as the name of a people apparently in southern Gaul. The earliest Eng. sense is of "religious hypocrite," especially a female one, and may be influenced by beguine. Sense extended 1687 to other than religious opinions.

– The Online Etymology Dictionary, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot

--Havard 21:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)