Talk:Rodion Malinovsky

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Contents 1 nationality 2 Malinovsky was an illegitimate child 3 critical article 4 removed the following

[edit] nationality

Dear friends, R. Malinovsky nationality was not ukrainian, he was crimean caraite (крымский караим).

Wikipedia is not a tribute website. This article is getting very wordy and is far too full of rhetoric and praise for its subject. I will give it a trim when I get time. Adam 12:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malinovsky was an illegitimate child

Сам ты крымский караим.

It is a characteristic feature of the Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia - to include prominent people, who were not actually Jews but whose origin is not quite clear. Malinovsky's daughter Natalia is sick and tired of reading of her Jewish, Russian, etc. origin. She is neither an anti-Semite, nor anti-caraite; all these speculations about her father's nationality are simply not true.

Malinovsky was an illegitimate child of a Ukranian mother. In his memoirs he wrote that he did not know who his father was. Nor does his daughter know who was her paternal grandfather. Mrs. Malinovskaya contacted the authors of the Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia and they could not present any prove supporting their statements in the entsiklopedia. Mrs. Malinovskaya is going to give me some materials to include into the article about her farther in the Russian wikipedia. Ludmilasv 06:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)ludmilasv

Please sign you posts using ~~~~ Odessaukrain 22:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, please point out one person who was not of Jewish descent but included in Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia

In opposite, the publication can be accused of ignoring many people. Andropov whose Jewish descent in mentioned by Russian wikipedia, for example. Cherniakhovsky, Lenin, Anna Pavlova, Rostropovich, only to start with. User: Costa.10 May 2007.

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"Well, please point out one person who was not of Jewish descent but included in Rossiiskaia evreiskaia entsiklopedia". In his interview Dr. Branover, the editor of the encyclopedia mentioned 5 people, who accused the encyclopedia of publishing wrong data about their origin. One of them was Eldar Riazanov. Dr. Branover's interview is available on line.

As for Anna Pavlova, she was an illegitimate child like Malinovsky.

" Andropov whose Jewish descent in mentioned by Russian wikipedia, for example." 1) The Russian wikipedia is not a reliable source. 2) Andropov's mother was adopted by a Jewish family. Is this a "Jewish descent"? Ludmilasv 03:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC) Where you fount the reliable infromation about adapted Andropov's mother. That claim is not true. Moreover, in Tsaris time Jews were not allowed to adap chuildren of non-Jewish descent. Fedor, 1.11.07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.193.189.230 (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] critical article

Is this really a critical article? It sounds more like a white washing PR piece to me (not a single critical word?). At least the parts about him opposing the Cuban missile move doesn't agree with what I just read in a book about the Cuba crisis. -AK

then instead of criticizing the article on the talk page, why not take the time and add that information you read to the article itself? Travb (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removed the following

I do not try to embellish Malinoivsky but I suggest that the following belongs to the article about Wallenberg, not about Malinovsky. It shall be mentioned briefly in the article about Malinovsky. I removed from the article:

"Wallenberg was working to save the remaining Hungarian Jews from being sent to the Nazi death camps and is credited with preventing thousands of deaths by handing out false Swedish passports and documents and housing Jews under Swedish protection until they could be transported out of the country to safety. On January 13, 1945, Wallenberg contacted the Russians to secure food and supplies for the people under his protection. He and his driver, Vilmos Langfelder (c1910-1947), were detained by the Soviet Red Army on January 17, 1945 when they captured Budapest, on suspicion of being a spy for the United States, since the War Refugee Board was actually engaged in espionage. The Soviets may have moved him to Moscow, hoping to exchange him for defectors in Sweden. He was driven to the headquarters of Rodion Malinovsky in Debrecen by the NKVD. Wallenberg's last recorded words were: "I'm going to Malinovsky's ... whether as a guest or prisoner I do not know yet." In 2003, a review of wartime Soviet correspondences, indicated Vilmos Böhm may have provided Wallenberg's name to Stalin as a person to detain." (talk)