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Contents 1 height and weight 2 Exhibition matches 3 Sources 4 Article 5 Fishtown mistake 6 Balboa is not an italian surname 7 Rewrite to Fix In-universe Style Problems 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Rocky iii poster.jpg

[edit] height and weight

Anyone know Rocky's height and weight?

For his weight watch the movies. It varies from fight to fight. Stallone stands anywhere from 5'6-5'11(depending on the source), though Rocky's height is never given in the films. Also, I think doing a page on Rocky in an in-universe style is a bad idea. For one, it's impossible to get the exact age of the characters and years correct because there are so many inconsistencies in the films. First and foremost, Rocky 1 and 2 are supposed to take place in 1975 and 1976, in which Rocky is 30 and 31 years old. This is all well and good, but once we get to Rocky 3 consistency is thrown to the wind. It's stated throughout the film that Rocky won the title three years prior. If Rocky 2 was supposed to have taken place in 1976, that would put Rocky 3 at around 1979. It also says in the movie that Rocky is supposed to be 34, which would further backup this claim. However, Mick's tombstone in the film puts his death at Aug. 1982. The inconsistencies start here, and continue into Rocky 4. From the looks of things, the movie starts out just where the third one left off, with Rocky coming home from his sparring session with Apollo. That same night, Rocky and Adrian celebrate their nine-year anniversary (a couple weeks early, she mentions). Going by the first two movies, this would put Rocky 4 at approximately 1985. So, in essence, anywhere from 3 to 6 years have passed since Rocky 3, completely throwing everything out of whack. There are many other minor inconsistencies throughout the films, but I feel like I've written enough to get my point across. Too many things are open to interpretation in the Rocky series, muddling any attempts to create an accurate timeline. 66.168.143.177 21:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The age thing is impossible to calculate. According to the article, Rocky aged 5 years between the fight with Drago and the events in Rocky V, despite the fact Rocky V starts and finishes within a year of the end of Rocky IV. ( Rocky-Drago took place on Christmas, and Balboa fought Tommy Gunn soon after the following Christmas, as referenced by Tommy stopping by Rocky's house with Duke). Age references to be removed, except where specifically stated in one of the movies.

The fight in "Rocky Balboa" appears to occur early in 2006 (as Adrian is stated as having died on 11 Jan 2002, and the film starts on the four-year anniversary. I'm going to reword that line to more accurately reflect the information given in the film. Jimmyrabbitte 05:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

In the film "Rocky Balboa", During the weigh in, the announcer states: "Rocky Balboa, Two-Seventeen." I guess that means he's 217 pounds? At least in that particular point of time.Shardakar 07:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exhibition matches

Question: Correct me if i am wrong. But i thought that an Exhibition match doesn't count to ones' professional record? If this is the case then Rocky's Record should remain at 23 losses not 24 losses.

I think one way or another Rocky's record stands at 57-23 (51 KO). But nothing is concrete in the world of Rocky.

Can anyone with boxing related experience/knowledge clarify this? Shardakar 07:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Shardakar you are correct. Exhibitions are not counted on a professional boxing record. BoxingNut 17:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

To answer the question about whether or not the Mason Dixon fight actualy counts because it is an exhibition. That is open to debate and is very subjective. Yes, the fight is "labeled" an exhibition but it is often mentioned in the film that it is only "labeled" an exhibition match to be able to credibly set up such an absurd match up. So the bout may not realy be an exhibition afterall, it is just titled that way. The bout was scheduled for ten rounds and under sanctioned rules. Undisputedly, it is not a title fight or it is a non-title bout but that does not mean that the match does not count. Rocky just can not win the title. I think it would be up to the record keepers discretion on whether or not to count the match. Something similar happened a few months ago with Henery Maske in Germany before he fought Virgil Hill. He fought a semi-exhibition match for preperation for the fight against Virgil Hill. The fight was behind closed doors with no open ticket sales and only had a few special spectators. It was a private match but it was scheduled for ten rounds and under professional rules. The record keepers still have not decided if they will count the bout on Maskes and his opponent's pro record.

Someone had Rocky listed as having 5 losses, despite the fact that in "Rocky Balboa", HBO listed Rocky as having 23 loses.

Rocky's record is a bit confusing. For Example: (The end of the films) Rocky 1: 44-21 (38 KO), Rocky 2: 45-21 (39 KO), Rocky 3: 56-22 (50 KO), Rocky 4: 57-22 (51 KO), Rocky 5: no change, Rocky 6: (before the Dixon fight on the ESPN telecast) 57-23-1 (and a few extra KO's). The question is, Where did the draw and the extra loss come from?

One theory about the draw is that Rocky does climb back in the ring in between films against Tommy Gunn and earns a draw, another theory is that the draw in the exhibition against Thunder Lips is being counted and the third theory is that record keepers found an old forgotten bout on Rocky's record. The most credible theory is probably that Stallone just accidentaly added it on the record while writing the script.

The extra loss is a mystery too. Which can be attributed to 3 of the four reasons for the draw on Rocky's record as mentioned above. But the most plausible reason is that Stallone probably accidentally presented Rocky's final loss total before the end of the film thus before the Mason Dixon bout result.

I think one way or another Rocky's record stands at 57-23 (51 KO). But nothing is concrete in the world of Rocky.

[edit] Sources

The biography could use more sources (what is shown in which movie).

[edit] Article

Not sure whether this article could be included in the article in its current format, but it might be useful should it be expanded at some point. HornetMike 20:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Is Rocky movies telling Rocky Marcianos story??? I meen Rocky Balboa = Rocky Marciano????

To answer your question, absolutely not. The only things the two have in common are first names and Italian-American heritage.

[edit] Fishtown mistake

Although the movies were filmed in the Kensington section, its a pretty well known fact that Rocky lives in South Philly in the movies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.70.156.173 (talk) 01:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

How can Rocky have 74 wins if he's had 23 losses and 82 fights?

[edit] Balboa is not an italian surname

why they used it for an italian character?

http://gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html

Balboa is a Basque surname. There could be an interesting pulp novel about how Rocco's Basque great-great grandparent emigrated to Argentina (the place that received the most Basque immigrants), met an Italian girl, and they had to return to Italy with their firstborn to care for the wife's father that was badly injured in a battle against the Austrians. Otherwise, the surname Balboa has no business whatsoever in any part of Europe except the Basque country, and no business being confused with an Italian surname in the Americas. On the other hand, using a word that has zero chance to being an actual Italian person's surname is the equivalent of using 555-XXXX for all the phones: no actual person will be harassed. elpincha 13:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

When does Rocky die?

It's a ficticious surname and Rocky does not die in any of the films. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.137.242 (talk) 12:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite to Fix In-universe Style Problems

This article is in terrible need of a complete overhaul, mainly due to the fact that the majority of the article appears to be discussing an actual boxer as opposed to a fictional character. Thanks for any help in doing this!nf utvol (talk) 21:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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