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In SEA his mustache was a "bullet-proof" mustache--Air Force pilots by the hundreds sported them. It was only back in the US that it became a "mark of his individuality."--Buckboard 12:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Olds as first Vetnam Ace?

Several sources claim that Olds intentionally avoided shooting down a fifth MiG, even during opportunities to do so, because he believed he would be immediately relieved of command as a celebrity.[1] Buckboard

I think there is a lot of validity to this. Some even venture he may have gotten a fifth and did not claim it. I witnessed him being asked the question and he just grinned. HJ 11:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, HJ. I agree with you completely. I'm going to go through my basement full of sources and see what else I can dig up on the matter (some of my stuff goes back to the 60's), and put together something documentable of at least the possibility.--Buckboard 16:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Olds' Health Failing

I just learned today, Mar. 8, '07, that Robin Olds is in the intensive care ward of the Steamboat Springs Hospital with stage 4 prostate cancer, and his kidneys are failing fast - not expected to make it out of this one. His life has been the epitiome of fighting against the odds, though. God bless him. ----Raybonz1 16:09, 8 Mar 2007

Olds returned home at the end of March 2007, and as of mid-May is doing much better.--Buckboard 06:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Something I didn't know...

Someone might want to add something about this [1] (or I might do it, but it might be a while till I get around to it) . Apparently he was arrested and plead guilty to drunk driving charges a few years ago. I know, bad timing, what with him in the hospital right now, but nonetheless, something that should go in here. Articles aren't shrines...-- Nobunaga24 14:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It's added. Warts and all.--Buckboard 04:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ribbon bar

Absolutely brilliant. Thanx mucho.--Buckboard 00:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't only one Air Medal with the max number of OLC be on the ribbon bar, instead of 3 Air Medals? Or does the Air Force do it different from the army?--Nobunaga24 (talk) 00:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

  • Scion, how about keeping it simple - An heir
  • He served out the remainder of his career
  • Photostatic copy of Olds' claim report of 14 Feb 45 - random external link
  • Link Dogfight in the Dogfight advocate paragraph at the first mention
  • This offer was refused and Olds decided to retire from the Air Force.[51]

:Olds retired on June 1, 1973.

Why is there a 3 word paragraph? -> This offer was refused and Olds decided to retire from the Air Force on June 1, 1973.[51]
  • periocardial disease - is spelt wrong? Pericardial Disease - article here Pericardial effusion
  • Jargon terms - triple ace
  • Not required for GA but please add WP:PDATA
  • Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -   between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 30 miles, use 30 miles, which when you are editing the page, should look like: 30 miles.[?]
  • Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings), headings generally do not start with articles ('the', 'a(n)')

Looks good, however it seems to glorify him a bit by saying is one of the best and most famous pilots in the lead - who said this? i made a few minor changes myself. Also remember the lead should contain a brief summary of each of the main headings (SE Asia and Personal). M3tal H3ad 03:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

"Heir" would be a misnomer--the situation is continuity through generations, not hand me downs. I am not averse to another term, but I object to "heir" as inappropriate. The medical term was used by the source. The description of the disease did not match up to anything I searched thru wiki so I left it as is (something generic re heart disease would serve just as well). The "best and most famous" (I disagree that it is glorification) survived edits from long ago before I ever saw this article--I have no idea who added it or where it came from. The second assessment, documented, is straight out of the source, who is credentialed and knows whereof he speaks. The photostat report shows a gap in wiki--it is there as an illustration as much as a link, but whereever it goes under current guidelines is okay be me. His decision to retire was made many months before he retired, which is how that came about. I'll work on it.-Buckboard 05:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
periocardial disease comes up with 43 links in google (nothing to do with a disease) - pericardial disease comes up with 1.11 million, the author must of made a spelling error. Regarding the "best and most famous" you have to give that context by saying who said that -(the air force, high ranking officers, his friends, commanding officer etc) you can't say he is the best and most famous without saying who said that as it would be considered Original Research. He served out the remainder of his career - the 'out' is redundant. You could upload the photostat picture to wiki, add it to the external links section or convert it to a reference. The article is very informative, i like how the Awards and decorations section is done. M3tal H3ad 06:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Gotcha on the "who said it". I reworded the other items and scored through the list above. I moved the report link to externals--it's a two-page photo whose text is very small print and would not make a good picture. I appreciate your comments here, btw.--Buckboard 06:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Goodjob, i hope you plan on taking it further - Biography peer-review, A class MILHIST, FAC etc. Goodluck if you do and thanks for dealing/replying to things i brought up. M3tal H3ad 07:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
And he dies right after I sent it to GAC and it became a GA. This means we're gonna have to get it to FA if we can. I don't have access to any of these references, though let me know when it goes to FAC.--Wizardman 02:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA notes

If this article is to go for Featured status, there are some unsettled fact issues. One of the primary sources stated Daniel Flood (Dem-PA_ nominated Olds, but Flood did not go to Congress until after Olds had graduated and gone to Europe. Second, in its obituary notice, the LA Times stated Olds and Ella Raines were divorced in 1975, not just separated, but I cannot find anything else to confirm this.--Buckboard 05:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Per the Washington Post, the first marriage ended in Ella's death, the second to Morgan Olds in divorce.--Buckboard 07:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps (Pass)

This excellent article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe it still meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Great work on this - it was a pleasure to review. Regards, EyeSereneTALK 18:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)