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[edit] birth?
What is the basis for this birthdate given for Robert II? As far as I an aware, no contemporary source gives such an exact birthdate. His biographer, Helgaud of Fleury, states that the king was aged 60 when he died on July 20, 1031. If correct, this would place Robert's birth around 970/971. Missi 23:09, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Burgundy
Why is it said that Robert's 1003 invasion of Burgundy was thwarted until 1016, while several other articles say that Burgundy was annexed to Kingdom of France in 1004? (e.g. Otto-William, Duke of Burgundy)
[edit] Weird sentence
After Robert became king he did as his father and crowned his eldest son Hugh Magnus as his successor. But, due to Prince Hugh Magnus' death, another son, Henri, became king.
I am going to delete the above sentence from the article. Hugh Magnus was Robert's grandfather. I am not aware the Robert had a son named Hugh.
Momoboy 19:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)Momoboy
[edit] Another weird sentence
I am going to remove:
His eldest son Hugh Magnus died suddenly while in rebellion against his father.
As I stated above, Hugh magnus was not the son of Robert II
Momoboy 19:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)Momoboy
- Hugh Magnus was definitely his eldest son and co-king. It is not the same person as the father of Hugh Capet. You should not have removed those sentences. Srnec 12:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Explanation of edits (Apr 2007)
Here it is:
- Image — the Laurens image is actually a cultural representation, and at least it represents something that actually ocurred. The other image is just a madeup textbook image with no correspondence to the real Robert or anything he did. It has no informative value, hence it is not encyclopaedic and the Laurens image is to be preferred.
- Removal of Direct Capetians template — as is, the template is mostly just a picture of a coat of arms which Robert didn't use and a listing of two of his four sons (of perhaps 7 children). It provides no extra information and just takes up space. There is nothing in the MoS mandating it.
- Listing of children — the redundancy is an insult to readers' intellligence. If the infobox is going to provide the list, there is no reason to provide a full list elsewhere. It is convenient that at the moment, the infobox lists the three children mentioned in the body text and the section "Children" mentions the rest.
I hope this is sufficient to prevent any edit war. Srnec 03:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- The infobox portrait gives a better depiction of him: I do not see why both pictures cannot be used; dynastic templates are a standard feature in articles on monarchs; listing of all marriages and children under that heading is good practise. Michael Sanders 15:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- The portrat is not a depiction of him. It is fantasy with no connection to reality. Why don't you admit this? Srnec 15:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Template
The template was removed because the large fleur-de-lis was an inaccuracy. Srnec 19:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Excommunication
Whose genealogy has Bertha of Burgundy being Robert II's cousin? I had understood Robert as having been the godfather of one of her children from an earlier marriage (thus still incest in the eyes of the Church). But, our article on Bertha says she has no children (directly contradicting the French book that I'm using as a reference). Is the actual relationship disputed? Should we make mention of this? 74.140.196.72 00:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
