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[edit] Suggest Separating the Bibliography

This note is copied from the Talk:Robert A. Heinlein page:

I suggest that we separate out the bibliography (including filmography) as a separate article, because it is so extensive and it is making the main article over-long. It is almost half of the real estate of the page (wide screen) and half of the Table of Contents. I'm not in favor of condensing the main article at this time. The important books are mentioned directly in the main article. It is common for prolific rock bands like Pink Floyd to have a separate discography (Pink Floyd discography). Hu 21:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Since more than 100 hours have passed with no dissenting remarks, I have created the Robert A. Heinlein bibliography from the main article. The main article size has been reduced from 61 to 51 kilobytes, and the Table of Contents has be cut in half. Hu 00:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heinlein LP record

Years ago, when RAH came to Tahiti on a cruise boat he gave me, and signed, an LP called, I think, The Green Hills of Earth. I've never listened to it, however. If you want to put it into your Spinoffs I think I still have it around and can give you more info on it. Hayford Peirce 18:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Please do! Hu 21:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

It's a 1977 (copyright date on jacket) stereo LP, Caedmon TC 1526, called "Robert A. Heinlein, THE GREEN HILLS OF EARTH and GENTLEMEN, BE SEATED read by Leonard Nimoy". The GENTLEMEN, BE SEATED is in a much smaller font than THE GREEN HILLS OF EARTH. The cover is a painting by Kelly Freas. The flip side of the jacket has a long intro by Heinlein, plus something almost as lengthy written by someone named Ward Botsford. And there's a small picture and bio of Leonard Nimoy. If you can paste a couple of JPGs together, I could scan the front and back -- the jacket is too wide for my scanner to make a single pic.... Hayford Peirce 17:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Give a scan a try, and make sure there is some overlap between the scans and we'll see what we can do. Also scanning the text by Heinlein and the other stuff would be useful if it is readable because then it could be summarized. Hu 18:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've got 4 pretty clear JPGs, plus much bigger original files. Give me an email address and I'll send the JPGs as attachments to you. You can email me at iaorana27@hotmail.com

[edit] Proposal

It seems to me that it's impossible to subdivide the novels into groups like early, mature, late or whatever in any neutral basis; it's all original research. I see only two objective ways to present this information:

  1. In order of original publication date
  2. In alphabetical order

So here's the proposal: Two tables, both of which present exactly the same information, one in alphabetical order, one in order of original publication date. Each table would show:

  • Title
  • Original publication date
  • Notes

"Notes" would be extremely short, succinct, relevant facts, like:

  • "Original byline Anson MacDonald"
  • "Future History"
  • Other title(s)

Thoughts? -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 02:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the demarcation is pretty easy and not original research, since it has been remarked on by a number of reviewers / academics (don't make me dig up references, please). Clearly the seven year break between 1973 and 1980 separates the mature phase from the late phase. Starship Troopers was written for the juvenile series and could be put in them, as it is now, but since it was rejected and since Heinlein considered that rejection to be a release, I would consider it the first of the mature phase novels. It is really the only one that could be quibbled over. I would move it to the mature phase if it were only up to me (it isn't). I would also separate out the juvenile series into a separate "Juveniles" list, since they are similar in style and purpose and distinct from the other novels in the same period. I would put Variable Star into a special category with For Us, The Living: A Comedy of Customs.
As to the two table idea, if it is decided to go that way (which I recommend against), I would suggest making a main table by alphabetic order, and a secondary table by publication date, with all the data in the first table and only the name and year in the second table. It is extremely problematic to maintain two tables with much duplication of information, especially in a collaborative environment where they may be edited by editors unfamiliar with the structure or just lazy or sloppy or worse. Further, I think that "table" should be loosely applied since most real tables look ugly, and a well organized list can be just as functional.
In summary, make "Early", "Juveniles", "Mature", "Late", and "Posthumous" lists. Alternatively make a main alphabetic list with a secondary publication time ordered list. As always, I encourage discussion. Hu 03:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm strugging with the formatting; I need to learn about wiki table syntax. My current extremely rough draft straw man proposal is formatted using HTML, converted from Microsoft Word. But it's good enough for discussion purposes. This is kind of what I had in mind: User talk:Jim Douglas/Robert A. Heinlein bibliography. (And I just noticed I neglected to fill in the first publication date (1980) for all of the Expanded Universe items.) -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 06:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I've written on your page User talk:Jim Douglas/Robert A. Heinlein bibliography with some responses and an alternative proposal. Hu 07:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I've responded there in detail. We're in complete agreement. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 14:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revised proposal

I've archived the first draft proposal (table-oriented), including Hu's reformatting, to User talk:Jim Douglas/Robert A. Heinlein bibliography table.

I've created a new straw man proposal as User talk:Jim Douglas/Robert A. Heinlein bibliography based on Hu's suggested format, but with two changes: I broke out each title to a separate line, and I moved the month of publication to after the title. I also incorporated all existing material from the beginning and end of the existing Robert A. Heinlein bibliography article to get a better sense of how this would look as a complete article. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 04:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other articles

I have added to and edited Moon in art and literature (created huge Heinlein section), Venus in fiction, Ceres in fiction, Mars in fiction, Jupiter's moons in fiction, Saturn in fiction, and Solar System in fiction. Hu 13:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Nothing Ever Happens on the Moon"

I have created the article for "Nothing Ever Happens on the Moon". Hu 09:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 15:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Are we missing one?

I have read a book which I believe is by Robert A. Heinlein but it's not in the list. Maybe it is one of his and we missed it, or I'm mistaken and it's someone else's, but maybe someone can help me here. Some people develop a gateway to go back to the time of the dinosaurs. Some of them go through the gate, which causes it to break down, and they end up being stranded for a while. Later, one of the scientists from the future comes back to rescue them after they figure a way to be able to summon the return gate via a remote control. A girl from that time follows them back, but notices something in our world that scares her, so she runs back through the gate just before they close it.

Anyway, I think that's a summary of (what I believe is) one of Heinlein's books, and if I am right that it is by him, I can't find it. Can someone help me, one way or the other? Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 18:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)