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The paragraph on the lead singers vocals is definetly NPOV

the entire page is NPOV. It sounds like an add for Rise Against. I'd fix it but I don't know anything about the other than they suck (in my opinion)

- As much as I disagree with your opinion, I do agree that the entire page is POV. *puts a post-it note to my moniter about rewriting this page* --203.51.196.199 15:05, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know the band well enough to put a caption on the image stating who each member is? BadCRC 02:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I found individual pictures and used them to label the main one. $cammer 20:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Vandalism 2 July 4 vs. July 11 3 Genres 4 They Are Punk Rock 5 Abridged "Survive" 6 Data (Any Way You Want It) 7 Trivia section 8 Fair use rationale for Image:The Unraveling.jpg 9 Veganism 10 the band members pic 11 rise against political idealogies. liberal? 12 Misc. 13 alternative rock

[edit] Vandalism

Someone should watch this page, there has been quite a bit of vandalism.... Kippkipp 22:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] July 4 vs. July 11

Someone keeps changing July 11, 2006 to July 4, 2006 as the release date for their new album The Sufferer and the Witness. I follow the news at any punk website very carefully and there has been no evidence that it's coming out on July 4th. The news at Punkbands.com claims that it will be out on July 11th. From now on, I would like a source for July 4th, so this edit war can end or just leave the article how it is. As I said on Talk:The Sufferer and the Witness. 65.222.216.15 21:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Did you see the link I provided? It was link to their MySpace page which I feel is a legitimate source. If that still is not enough for you, perhaps check out their official web site and watch the flash intro. [1] I know sites like punkbands.org and absolutepunk.net have said July 11th, but they are not an officiating source. 90% of the stuff they post on there are rumors. sharpdust 00:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, then. Sorry, if I was harsh when I kept changing the date. 64.142.89.105 02:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

You guys are silly. Look the album up on All Music Guide (which is owned by AEC Distribution) - www.allmusic.com - it says July 4th, as did all the magazine ads and wheat-paste posters all over big cities across the country. And that’s when I got mine.

did rise against pay for this? most bands one of the categorys is criticisms.rise against is good but not perfect

[edit] Genres

Post-Grunge? No way dude.

Agreed :P

I Concur

yeah..lets try metal, rock, or hard rock? Inuxshinedown 02:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

i'd say screamo. i've seen them in concert. well, like they were the opening band for my chemical romance. but they played for about an hour. everything they 'sang' was screaming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.54 (talk) 18:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Here are some ideas, sign your posts, and know what your talking about before you post. You can't call a band sceamo because they opened for My Chemical Romance, nor can you call them screamo for, heh, screaming. After all many metal bands scream their lyrics and are still metal not screamo. Also, they are Melodic Hardcore Punk Rock, a genre that often combines Emocore/Screamo, and Pop Punk in its songs. Although it is a different sub-genre of Hardcore Punk than Emocore/Screamo.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 01:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] They Are Punk Rock

They are Punk Rockers

I don't know much about punk rock, because I only listen to punk bands people have recommended me (Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat) but I'm sure they aren't punk. They MIGHT have been, but they sure as heck aren't punk anymore. I don't know if they were to begin with. Punk is characterized by the lyrics and a certain style of music, I think. All the punk I've heard has little to no melody, unclean vocals, and super distorted guitars. I'm not sure, because I only LISTEN to punk.

• They were punk/hardcore the first few years they were out. But since Siren Song they've come to fit more of a melodic hardcore category with punk influences...if that makes any sense. They throw in a punk song or two here and there.

They are not punk rock anymore, they are Post-Hardcore. They were originally punk and they are still influenced by it, but they are predominantly post-hardcore now.

--Have you read the lyrics? Siren Song was most definitely a punk rock album. And for you information people, hardcore is always punk. There is no such thing as hardcore that isn't punk rock as well. Hardcore punk, get it? Most of what is labelled hardcore these days is either metalcore, emocore, or some form of screamo. None of those bands are hardcore though. And The Sufferer and the Witness is still most definitely still hardcore punk. They are mellowing out a bit, which I guess just comes with getting older, and their sound is getting more polished and focused, as opposed to the usually gritty and chaotic sound of most hardcore punk, but the lyrics and the musical style still most definitely fit punk rock. Post-hardcore? They might be moving that way. But Rise Against is still political and left-wing enough to be labelled punk. I'd say about 70% of their lyrics reflect a general dissatisfaction with society, the government, and life at large. Still punk.

"All the punk I've heard has little to no melody, unclean vocals, and super distorted guitars."

Some, especially the more hardcore DIY stuff. Bands like The Unseen, Anti-Flag, Black Flag, Minor Threat, Against All Authority; those bands would fit that above definition. However, it is possible for a punk band to have melody and polish, just as long as they don't water down the lyrics, and not be considered posers or pop/punkers.

--Rise Against are punk rock as well as hardcore, but more specifically they should be classified as melodic hardcore. They pretty much have every characteristic of this genre; essentially they are a punk band that adds melody and somewhat complex lead guitar to their songs. - Razorhead, March 29 2007

--Been listening to punk rock for years now and I'd have to say that these guys fit into post-hardcore as well as punk rock. The lyrics have a definite rejection for a conventional style despite the melody. Also, if you trace punk back to the roots of Iggy Pop then you will find various tempos throughout. Punk was meant as an experimental thing so its rather difficult to characterize. All we have to go on is comparisons to early punk bands but based on their style I'd say post-hardcore.

[edit] Abridged "Survive"

The article says "An abridged version of "Survive" (the deep bass intro is not present) from The Sufferer and the Witness is featured on Smackdown vs. Raw 2007."

What deep bass intro are they talking about? I got a U.S. version of the CD from interpunk and I don't think it has a deep bass intro.

Hmm... The Sufferer and the Witness states that the song should last 3:40, while Rise Against's website lists the song at 4:51, so you seem to have the former, which most likely is the "abridged" version mentioned in this article. You used to be able to hear the deep bass intro during the intro animation on their site. xetrov_znt 07:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: Hey I just figured it out. The way iTunes ripped my US preorder copy of the CD, the intro to "Survive" was at the end of the previous track, "The Good Left Undone." EAC ripped it the same way. The intro starts at 3:02. Can anyone else confirm this? MattTheMan 05:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yea, my version is like that too... I was wondering why "The Good Left Undone" had that odd extra part at the end. Metroid0630 05:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: The intro to "Survive" was only present on the leaked version, for the final official release, it was moved to the end of "The Good Left Undone".

[edit] Data (Any Way You Want It)

Does anyone know why the song "Any Way you Want it" (their cover of a Journey song) is no longer listed on their album? Did they get in trouble or something? I think this may be worth putting on the article.

I am not sure. I purchased my copy of Revolutions Per Minute last year around November-December, and it didn't list the song on the album but it was still there. With EAC and AccurateRip, all the tracks were listed as accurate except for this one. Weird. MattTheMan 05:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

It's like that because the song is supposed to be a hidden track, which is why theres about 30 seconds of silence at the end of "Amber Changing"

^ And hence all the feedback at the beginning of the song (Fallingwalls1 14:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC))

yeah it's a hidden track. and on my cd it's titled "data" even though i know it's a cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.221.236 (talk) 02:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia section

I removed a great deal of the trivia, mostly things that related to individual band members (and therefore would belong on their pages instead). However, it still feels too long. Does anyone else think that we should also remove the long list of every video game the band is featured in? - seinman 00:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Sadly, it looks like that happened. I disagree with its removal. It definitely belongs in the article. - JNighthawk 13:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The entire trivia section has been deleted, i was going to add that while "swing life away" did attract many new fans to the band, Chris mcaughan (of the lawrence arms, sundowner etc) wrote it years before, and sold it in exchange for rent money. True story. (Chris is given credit on the inset of the punk goes acoustic album). anonymous man. 31 march 2007, 22:56 (GMT)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:The Unraveling.jpg

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[edit] Veganism

The band isn't vegan they're vegetarian, it needs to be changed He Who Laughs Last 20:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

No, they're definitely vegan. They made this very clear when they went through great lengths to make sure their Vans signature shoe had no animal products in it. (Fallingwalls1 14:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC))

are you sure? their mtv2 interviews ran alot during t-minus rock, and you see them ordering foods in their hotel's room service like coffee (maybe, if it's black coffee), and crepes, which last time i checked, has eggs and milk. 76.182.87.230 22:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I´m pretty sure they´re "just" vegetarian. Since when do Vegans order Hot Dogs on their DVD ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.130.194 (talk) 13:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Um, vegetarians could order tofu dogs, but so could vegans. I think some of them are vegan, and some are vegetarian. I'm not sure if any of them are neither. Debivort 15:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the band members pic

Can anyone identify the band members on the picture on the top of the page from left to right?--Dark paladin x 01:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• Zach Blair (guess)
• Tim McIlrath
• Brandon Barnes (guess)
• Joe Principe

I'm not completely sure about which ones Zach and Brandon are, but the rest are right.

Otisbum 00:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you're completely wrong. That picture is outdated, and from left to right, it is Chris Chasse, Tim, Brandon, and Joe. Zach is bald and wasn't in the band at the time of this shot.

[edit] rise against political idealogies. liberal?

I read their FAQ about their political idealogies:

13. Do you like George Bush?

Let’s just say we’re big fans of Fat Mike’s political views. Check out http://www.punkvoter.com for more information.

Ok, I checked out the punkvoter site, and it's liberal (and yes I'm a liberal as well). also, Fat Mike have liberal ideas as well. Of course, nearly most punks have liberal idealogies, I barely see any punks who have conservative ideas.

Can I state that they are liberal, it just a guess?--Dark paladin x 12:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

• I'd say you'd be justified to call them liberal, and then cite that FAQ page. Debivort 14:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

From their lyrics, videos and interviews I would have though their politics were more radical than those of a 'liberal'. They appear to support equality of outcome (rather than oppourtunity) which is indicative of some form of socialist politics.

[edit] Misc.

the caption on the main photo was still tagged as Chris Chasse, even though it clearly shows Zach Blair. so i changed it--64.228.0.51 (talk) 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] alternative rock

They are not alternative rock! on this pages ist standing for rise against these genrES: metalcore, hard rock, screamo, emo and i dont think that they make this genre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.211.87.17 (talk) 18:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I just did a researched on Google and Yahoo! whether they use that genre. Here are some links (besides Rate Your Music) that prove they are alternative: 100XR.com, Ticketmaster, Soundpedia, MSN Music and iSOUND. The List of alternative rock artists article even lists Rise Against as an alternative rock band. Alex (talk) 20:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

no they are not, alternative rock means "instead of rock 'n roll" its slower and quieter. Jimmy eat world is Kill hannah is Sunny Day Real Estate is as well as bands like Muse, Travis, Downhere and Snow patrol the term alternative rock is used to describe many bands and is often used wrongly, those links dont prove anything, as the way bands are labelled is often stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrice34 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)