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Contents 1 NWA World Championship 2 ROH events 3 Code of honor? 4 Ring Of Hamburgers? 5 Where and how to see it? 6 Someone messed stuff up 7 Roderick Strong 8 Why the capital "O"? 9 Requested move 9.1 Survey 10 WWE buying Ring of Honor? 11 Event articles 12 ROH'S Best matches... 13 Code of Honor section 14 Include Survival of the Fittest winner in current champions? 15 Feinstein 16 History? 17 is it needed? 18 Show Names? 19 Steve Corino 20 Fair use rationale for Image:Rohnewlogo.jpg 21 Good Article Review 22 Why is the Live Journal community listed as an external link? 23 Previous tag champs

[edit] NWA World Championship

Do you think that ROH is going to try to unify the ROH Championship and the NWA Championship since a ROH contracted wrestler is the current NWA Champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.51.161 (talk) 00:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ROH events

Could you please bring back the page containing the list of every ROH event from the beginning to now, the one on the ROH website has spoilers on it, bring back the spoiler free wikipedia one

[edit] Code of honor?

What is the code of honor?

1. Shake hands before & after. 2. Keep the playing field level. 3. Respect the officials. It used to be much longer, but was de-emphasized in 2004 after the booker began to feel that it outlived its usefulness.

[edit] Ring Of Hamburgers?

How come I can't change it? 70.134.237.172 04:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where and how to see it?

THis information contains no information on where to or how to see Ring Of Honor matches. Is it televised, streamed online, only able to be seen live...?

Information on how to see ROH was posted, however it was deleted because it was "not notable". ROH puts some matches online, as well as show recaps. Some shows are shown on television in Canada and the UK. To see the full show you have to buy the dvds which are sold through their website. .PepsiPlunge 13:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

well i know you can watch it on TWC (channel 427 on sky) in the uk, not sure about anywhere else

Er, shouldnt something about the PPV and PPV deal be written on the page, its a pretty big deal for the promotion is it not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.67.72 (talk) 23:14, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

• Read the last paragraph in the "History" section: "On May 2, 2007, Ring of Honor announced that is had signed a PPV and VOD deal with G-Funk Sports & Entertainment to bring ROH into homes with iN DEMAND Networks, TVN, and the DISH Network.". Nenog 03:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Someone messed stuff up

Somebody look at the bottom at current champions, someone please fix this.

I fixed it, so no need to worry about it. Ultra123 00:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roderick Strong

I noticed that for the current top 5 rankings, Roderick Strong is number 2. However, he's also listed in the 'just missed out' section. I'm not an avid ROH fan, so someone else should work out why that is!

[edit] WWE buying Ring of Honor?

I just read a mention of a rumor about WWE buying RoH on the page. I have honestly never even heard of this. Where exactly did this rumor start?

WHo knows? It ain't gonna happen soon though.

[edit] Event articles

It only just occurred to me that ROH has no articles based on their events. Based on how many there are and the promotions' lack of continuing names like WWE or TNA I can see why. I'm thinking about starting them up as I have thr reults but I don't know how to organise them. Should I go by year and have every event from that year compiled into one article or just do the major events (Final Battle, Glory By Honor etc.) with their own article and leave the rest alone? Normy 11:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, given [1] (though at times slow in updating), I really don't know how useful it would be. Then again, you could say the same for the title histories pages. Just be WP:BOLD and see what happens ;) Tromboneguy0186 07:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ROH'S Best matches...

This is a bit of a P.O.V section, isn't it? ROH's best matches is more of a debate of opinion rather than a cold hard fact. For example, I consider Spanky v Gibson from last years anniversary show in the 10 best matches I've ever seen and the best one I've seen from ROH but many people would disagree with me. Normy 04:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Code of Honor section

Can someone more familiar with RoH add a section about the Code of Honor, what it involves, why it was started, when it was deemphasized, things like that? The article mentions it but doesn't go into any kind of detail. Bdve 01:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do that right now. Tromboneguy0186 07:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. Please look it over and tweak as necessary. Tromboneguy0186 08:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. Bdve 04:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Include Survival of the Fittest winner in current champions?

Sorta like how the most recent Royal Rumble and Money in the Bank winners are listed on the WWE article. Go or no go? Tromboneguy0186 07:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I like 12.41.14.138 16:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feinstein

The Feinstein scandal should be mentioned, to gloss over it is pretty stupid.

[edit] History?

Where's the history section? WWE has one, TNA has one, hell, even CHIKARA Pro has one. Where's Ring of Honor's History section?PunkCabana 19:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] is it needed?

The part talking about WWE. I do not think they need the stuff written in the ().

[edit] Show Names?

No discussion of the annual show-names? (Death Before Dishonor, Do or Die, -Anniversary, etc.) ? Rypcord 13:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

1) The annual shows are mentioned in the opening paragraph. 2) "Do or Die" is a tryout show not a regular show. Nenog 23:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• • What about Death Before Dishonor, etc, etc. (I know there is others, I just can't think of them). And yes, I know that DoD's are try-outs, but they are still pretty annual shows. Rypcord 20:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Here is the fourth sentence of the article: "Annual shows include the Anniversary Show(s), Death Before Dishonor, Survival of the Fittest, Glory by Honor, and Final Battle (the last show of the calendar year)". Also, Do or Die is not much of an annual show since it is sporadically held, the last one being on August 8, 2005.Nenog 20:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Maybe they should be made into pages? Similar to WWE Backlash being a page, etc., they would be ROH Do or Die or ROH Anniversary Show, ROH Death Before Dishonor, ROH Glory by Honor, etc. And then each page would follow the same basic guidelines that the WWE PPV shows follow. Rypcord 20:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
      • It’s been done a couple of times, and every time it was deleted because it was "not notable". Nenog 20:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
        • How is it not notable with their being 3-4+ events for each of these? Thats more than many of the WWE shows. Just make sure to include date/place/attendence/correct results/infobox that everyone of the WWF/E, WCW, and ECW PPVs had. Rypcord 20:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Popular arguments include "It's only a show for an independent promotion" and "If its not on pay-per-view, then its not important".Nenog 20:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
          • Well, just state that it is still important and still encyclopedic worthy. Thus the point of the wiki, to document, to be an encyclopedia. Rypcord 20:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
          • Popular responses to those arguments include "We don't have results for WWE or TNA houseshows, and all these are are houseshows", "Its just an independent promotion" and "Billy Bob's Wrasslin Show that draws an annual crowd of 17 people doesn't have results posted, so why should this one". Nenog 20:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
            • It's very much different in the case of Ring of Honor, as every show these days has meaning, they aren't just house shows or live events, they are legit events, each one has something of a storyline that ties in from event to event, I don't understand why if the results of every event are documented that someone can't make a page on here without it getting deleted. TonyFreakinAlmeida 17:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there are also ECW events profiled on here that were never on TV or Pay per view, why haven't they been deleted? Maybe due to the fact that they're sourced? It's a cop out to me, every ROH events' results are documented on the ROHWrestling web site itself. These are noteworthy and sourced, there is no reason why they shouldn't be listed. TonyFreakinAlmeida 17:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Corino

Pardon my French, but bull shit was he ever head trainer at the school. Punk was the first, and when he left for WWE, Aries took over. When Aries signed with TNA, he handed the keys off to Danielson (this is even shown at the beginning of the "100th Show" DVD). Unless this fairly significant news had eluded me somehow (and if it has, by all means give a source) Corino was never head trainer of the ROH wrestling school. He may have been a guest trainer, sure, but so has a laundry list of different wrestlers. Nosleep1234 10:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You're right, he wasn't, ROH does have guest trainers come in however, Raven has done it, and probably Corino. TonyFreakinAlmeida 17:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Rohnewlogo.jpg

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BetacommandBot 11:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Review

Just from a brief look, the introduction isn't properly cited. I'm gong to put the GA review on hold until it is. Review — This article is currently being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). GreenJoe 20:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Review from Wikipedia:What is a good article?: 1. It is well written - Pass. a) Pass b) Pass

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. - Pass a) Introduction needs to be cited. As well the history and code sections need to be cited. - Put on hold to fix. b) Pass c) Put on hold to fix.

3. It is broad in its coverage. - Pass a) Pass b) Pass

4. It is neutral; that is, it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias. - Pass

5. It is stable; that is, it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of an ongoing edit war. Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, and improvements based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. - Pass

6. Images need to be added. Put on hold to fix.

GreenJoe 20:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur this article need serious sourcing for it to be considered a "good source", not a reference every 25 statements or so MPJ-DK 17:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I've failed the article because the required changes weren't made. GreenJoe 16:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Images are not actually required for GA, you know (they are for FA), merely encouraged. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 01:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why is the Live Journal community listed as an external link?

Wouldn't it make more sense to list the official ROH website, rohwrestling.com? I tried to make this change myself but I see it was changed back. While the Live Journal page says it's "official," I am fairly certain it is run by fans and has no official affiliation with the actual company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.52.178 (talk) 04:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The reason ROHwrestling.com is not listed at the bottom is because it is already listed in the infobox at the top of the page. Nenog 19:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Previous tag champs

Per ROH's title history page, Austin Aries is considered a substitute in a title defense (just as Homicide once was when AJ Styles & Amazing Red were the tag champs), and not a 2-time champion. The Briscoe Brothers are the most recent tag champs. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 23:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)