Talk:Ridda wars

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I am removing the external link; it is not what I would consider a credible source, it has little information related to this article, and it is strongly biased. Take, for instance, this quote from the article: "One shudders to think what would have been the fate of Islam, if Abu Bakr had, God forbid, failed in suppressing apostasy." Definitely not neutral. I'm replacing it with link to a short history of the insurgencies during Abu Bakr's rule. Kafziel 14:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Death and taxes 2 Non-Muslim view 3 FALSE PROPHET??? 4 The whole second section is unintelligable 5 Shi'a View

[edit] Death and taxes

From http://www.persocite.com/Orient/osullivan1.htm

The main reasons for the rise of apostasy being utilised as a source to kill those who are perceived of having left Islam, are often argued to have been derived from the circumstances following the death of Prophet Muhammad. When the Prophet died in 11AH/632AD, the new, early administration of the Islamic community faced a very dangerous situation, of some crisis. Widespread disorder arose throughout the Arabian peninsula, with many tribes refusing to pay forth their zakat. However, the tribes defended themselves stating that they had remained as devout believers within Islam, because they claimed that paying zakat was not one of the ‘Five Pillars’ of Islam. They also believed that the zakat was merely a tax to be paid to the government, which is why they refused to do so, as their commitment was to God’s Prophet, as opposed to an elected leader. However, this whole period of battles at that time, as repercussions to this refusal to pay the zakat tax, became known as Al-Ridda : The War of Apostasy.

--Striver 16:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Muslim view

"Most non-Muslims have a view close to the Sunni view."

Actually, most non-Muslims know nothing of this dispute and have no opinion. I'm a non-Muslim, and I don't know much, but from what I've heard, I'm unwilling to uncritically accept the claim of either party.

Timothy Usher 07:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FALSE PROPHET???

There's a line in this article about a "false prophet". It seems absurd that a quasi-scholarly ;) article would state as fact opinions as to the merits of prophets. Couldn't someone come up with a better phrase? I haven't yet read the entire piece, but a reader starting out with this phrase expects little in the way of objectivity from the rest of it.

Adam Holland 16:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The whole second section is unintelligable

I can't understand it. The grammar needs to be cleaned up.

I completly agree. Half the sentences make absolutly no sense and any information in the article is lost in the mire of confusion this article creates. Hopefully, someone with knowledge on this subject can help this article, which is perhaps the worst article I have ever read on Wikipedia. 71.17.19.139 (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shi'a View

There is absolutely no credible evidence for Shi'a belief that the "Apostate" tribes were withholding their alleigance to Medina out of support for Ali's claim for the Caliphate, yet this article presents it as though it were a reasonable, fact-based conclusion.

What are you saying? That the Shi'ia's are wrong? Well then we can add "this is disputed." NPOV, remember, which in the end means your point of view gets a place equal to everyone esles Fudk (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)