Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/AdilBaguirov
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(moved from the case) -- lucasbfr talk 20:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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- I also want investigation of Verjakette socks and socks of User:Robert599. I have a reason to believe that the one who's behind them is none other than User:Rovoam, one of the most notorious puppeteers in Wikipedia. I suggest that Verjakette's IPs are checked with known IPs of Rovoam. I don't think that it could be Adil just because they are based in the same area, their POVs do not match. However Rovoam is a perfect match, they push exactly the same POV. This is Verjakette's IP: 69.143.131.204. Now please compare it with Rovoam's IPs here: [1] This old cu might also be useful: Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Robert599. I would like to ask for this check to be performed. Grandmaster (talk) 05:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- I did more check up, and there's no doubt that Merjanov is the same person as User:Jalaleddin, which was a cu proven sock of User:Robert599. Merjanov repeats word by word the arguments made by Jalaleddin, and those arguments match the claims made by Rovoam, who also claimed that Caucasian Albania was an Armenian state, etc. I always suspected that Robert599 was Rovoam and even tried to get that investigated some time ago. Please see Talk:Artsakh#Britannica, I pointed out some matching claims, but there are a lot more. Anyone can compare the claims made by Merjanov on talk of that article with the large postings made by Jalaleddin here: [[2]]. Rovoam's postings can be found in the same archive. This needs thorough investigation. It appears that banned user Rovoam returned to Wikipedia under the different identities. Grandmaster (talk) 08:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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Comment: This seems to be another attempt to bury things under a mud. Rovoam didn't know any Armenian, he even claimed of not being an Armenian. I have checked each of Rovoam IPs you Grandmaster provided from the link, they do not all trace to the same places. The association between those can be based on their editing pattern rather than checkuser, if anything another one could have used the occasion to play diversion. You should be restricted to even edit this page, you are disrupting the process. This element is very important for the current arbitration, if you have any thing about Rovoam do it in his checkuser page. I also add a request to compare all those I have mentioned plus Rovoam and Robert599 to AdilBaguirov and Atabek, I think it is time to check Atabek as well. VartanM (talk) 16:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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- VartanM, you're welcome to checkuser me, unlike this, I won't open endless threads discussing why RFCU should be run or not. I am a long-time contributor and am confident in order not to try to prevent the RFCU. But in lieu of the continuous bad faith assumptions of yours with regards to Grandmaster, myself or relentlessly trying to keep Ehud Lesar blocked by false accusation of him being Adil, or Adil block extended, the time may be ripe to look into your disruptions as well and whether those disruptions contribute anything useful for Wikipedia. Atabek (talk) 16:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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- VartanM, please refrain from personal attacks and keep it to the topic. I'm no more disruptive than you are. Rovoam was known to use open proxies and his IPs pointed to all countries of the world, even to Azerbaijan. I reiterate my request about thorough check up of all connections of Merjanov, Verjakette and Robert599, and in particular their connections with Rovoam. It is very strange that those accounts repeat Rovoam's fringe theories word by word. Anyone can compare postings by Rovoam, Robert599 and his army of socks and Verjakette and his socks. They have one thing in common, they all push the same POV that Caucasian Albanians were in fact Armenians, despite all reliable sources saying otherwise. Anyone can see that no one else pushes this extreme POV here. There's no match POV wise with Adil, while there's a perfect match with Rovoam. Vartan, you said that Verjakette's Armenian was very poor, the fact that it was not Rovoam's native tongue explains it. I was suspecting this connection long ago, and raised the issue here back in the day: Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Robert599. I don't mind further check up, but I believe that other possible connections should also be considered, including the most probable one with Rovoam. Grandmaster (talk) 17:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
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Most contrarian comments, that Grandmaster tries to suppress, made by users in the article on Caucasian Albania and Artsakh are taken from this easy-to-reach online source: http://www.vehi.net/istoriya/armenia/kagantv/index.html. Those views are obvious, and anyone will easily arrive at them even without inspecting discussion pages on Caucasian Albania and Artsakh; they are also valid and supported by a multitude of independent sources. Merjanov (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think Merjanov confirmed pretty much by paragraph above that he is definitely not AdilBaguirov :). Furthermore, since he has been confirmed by checkuser of using multiple accounts, not sure, why is Merjanov still contributing here? Atabek (talk) 18:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there an administrator that is willing to move comments unrelated to AdilBaguirov to the talkpage? VartanM (talk) 18:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Grandmaster have you even read the evidence I provided? there is denying that Ehud is Londium. It should now be reevaluated whatever or not Ehud Lesar is Adil Baguirov according to his edits as Ehud Lesar and Londium. Both accounts were blocked by two different admins as socks of Adil Bagirov, and when their contributions are merged together we can confirm that the most likely situation is that Ehud Lesar is Adil Baguirov. It is very unlikely that after one user stops contributing the other returns the very next day. It is even less likely that the second one continues for several days and stops a day before the first ones return. There is no crossing, not even a single edit. Since Ehud Lesar is always out for several days and that we know Adil does move between Huston and Washington DC quite often, then it will explain why Ehud does not contribute regularly. There was a checkuser run on Londium, if the IP was kept we can check and see if it traces to another user. VartanM (talk) 02:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Well, ask for check of Londium's IP with that of Ehud. But unless you have positive cu results, you cannot claim that they are the same person, as you have no proof whatsoever, only your personal assumptions, which were proved wrong time after time. Grandmaster (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Statement by Merjanov
Grandmaster is trying to suppress certain well-known views (that are all over the Internet, especially in Armenian-language pages) on particular subjects by evading direct discussion on talk pages and by falsely portraying his opponents as "socks" of various banned users. Against the wiki rules, he is suggesting that it is wrong to repeat ideas that other people have expressed. Everyone who is serious about editing Caucasian Albania, or Artsakh, sooner or later will go to discussion pages and archives in those articles, and will bump to the same set of claims that have been made by other users (banned and non-banned) because those are valid points, they still stand, and they have not been honestly discussed. Grandmaster is constantly engaged in various instances of trolling. I am not related to anyone. Merjanov (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
