Talk:Reprobation
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[edit] Expansion request
The first paragraph there is confusing "reprobation" with "double-predestination" (a facet of hyper-calvinism).
I added a request for expansion. This is an important theological topic for the understanding of Calvinism which, though I don't agree with all of it, is surely one of the great schools of Christian thought. The page needs work! KHM03 19:21, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- I've taken a shot at expansion by adding explanation from Boettner which I feel is helpful and to the point. I also added some external links and a few internal wiki-links. It's a start. Regards, Jim Ellis July 6, 2005 19:25 (UTC)
I added some "opposition" material, though it is pretty much just Wesley. At some point, I will need to add (or someone will need to add) Biblical passages and perspectives from other theologians & traditions. It's a start, at any rate. KHM03 17:52, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't believe "opposition material" is appropriate here, as it does nothing to clarify reprobation. Perhaps your talents could be used over on the holocaust page to sum up the neo-Nazis' denial. Your addition would be rather like me vandalizing the Wesley page using this page as a source, as well as the election page to show valid opposition to Wesley's heresies.This opposition should be removed, and your proselytizing be limited to the methodist pages.12.214.209.168 23:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
It is perfectly legitimate to include a summary of Christian criticisms of reprobation on a page devoted to this subject. It is no more 'proselytizing' than presenting the definition of reprobation is 'evangelizing' for Calvinism. My one suggestion would be that alternatives to a Wesleyan view should be presented, and there is plenty of material in the history of the Church before Wesley or Arminius to support this - the early Church Fathers, for example. 131.111.220.6 (talk) 19:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Further developments
IMHO, this section is irredeemable. It misunderstands both double predestination and hyper-calvinism. It contradicts the Predestination (Calvinism) article. Considering the current errors, it needs to be deleted:
- synonym for a symmetrical view of predestination - if it's used like that, that would be erroneous
- Such a view makes God the author of sin - that's debatable
- universally rejected by Reformed thinkers - no citation
The rest is lifted straight from R. C. Sproul, but his article is referred to in Predestination (Calvinism), anyway. The whole thing's got to go. StAnselm 13:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
