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[edit] Rennie Davis was a follower of Prem Rawat, so what?

Rennie Davis was a follower of Prem Rawat, so what? That does not mean that he needs to be added to the category diealing with Prem Rawat (Maharaji). I have added bio material and a quote and I have removed the external link to what is clearly a copyvio page. ≈ jossi ≈ 17:41, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Jossi, thanks for the explanation but I disagree with your deletions. Rennie Davis was a very prominent member, spokesperson, and recruiter for Maharaji and this justifies the category. Andries 17:47, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

this was a small chapter in this person's life, as such it need to be represented in his biographical article. And that is what I have done. Also, I would also say that your assessment about "prominent member, spokesperson, and recruiter", is an exageration. ≈ jossi ≈ 20:25, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

The only two things that are interesting from a historical perspective about Davis and hence encyclopic are his time with the Chigago seven and his time with the DLM. The fact that he is now a private investor is uninteresting for this encyclopedia, unless he becomes very successful or something like that. Andries 21:21, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

And who are you to decide what is encyclopedic or not about a person? Clearly Davis was notable only because is anti-war activism and the fact that he was one of the Chicago seven, not because he was a follower of Maharaji. The fact that he evolved from an anti-war hippie to a venture capitalist is as encyclopedic as it gets. ≈ jossi ≈ 21:31, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

The DLM is certainly important from a historical perspective. Several articles and books have been written about the DLM, even in Dutch language. Rennie Davis was treated in Stephen A. Kent's book from slogans to mantras about the 1970s. I admit that it is encyclopedic to write that he became a venture capitalist but I see no reason to digress on his non-notable status profession. Andries 21:37, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

The fact that he was for a short period of his life, a follower of Maharaji, it is already stated in the article. The Divine Light Mission has its own article, but I do not see anything on Davis that relate to the "organization". All what I read about him is that he was touched by the young Guru Maharaji ji, as many young people of his age were during the 70s. But from there to add Davis to the Category:Maharaji, is a leap that is uncessary in its exageration.≈ jossi ≈ 00:21, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category and template

Why would the fact that this person was for a very short time of his life the spokesperson for the Divine Light Mission, warrant inclusion in the category Prem Rawat, as well as to feature a nav template related to the subject? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Because it is notable, it was not a short period of time, and it is noted and backed up in notable secondary sources that satisfy WP:RS/WP:V. Cirt (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Not a short period? Really? How long he was a spokesperson? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

As already stated in the article, a period of a few years, during which time he was the spokesperson for the Divine Light Mission. Cirt (talk) 23:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope. He became a follower in 1970, but was spokesperson for a short period of time. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yup, and the official spokesperson for the Divine Light Mission is a key individual in the history of Prem Rawat and his related sub-organizations, and deserves placement in the category and the template is a helpful navigational tool on the subject matter. Cirt (talk) 23:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

V ad RS have nothing to do with my argument (if the material would bot have been based on a verifiable source, it will not be here, and it is here because it is notable). My argument is different and related to categorization and template use, but I guess we have to agree to disagree. I will ask for a WP:3O. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Third opinion

I see nothing wrong with the category, because the association does exist and it's notable.

However, I would recommend deleting that template. As a new and unfamiliar reader who read the article and then saw that template at the bottom, I couldn't fathom why it was there, especially since Prem Rawat isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Don't explain it to me; if the relationship isn't clear in the article, a talk page explanation won't fix it. The template makes it look like this article is part of some major Prem Rawat project on Wikipedia, and I don't think that's the case. -Amatulić (talk) 23:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Y Done, Jossi (talk · contribs) removed the template, and per the WP:3O offered by Amatulic (talk · contribs), the Category:Prem Rawat can stay. Cirt (talk) 23:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

That was quick. Must be the easiest third opinion I've ever given. Some drag out for weeks. -Amatulić (talk) 23:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

You'r good ... :) ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)