Talk:René II, Duke of Lorraine

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It seems from contemporary materials that Rene himself was regarded as having succeeded his grabdfather as titular king. In those days, females were somewhat lesser beings. Thus, husband or son became king, if a woman inherited, in principle. In this case, it is highly likely that 1480-83, Yolande and Rene were seen as co-queen and co-king. 62.78.124.145 17:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Well, as I understand the theory, a heiress would usually have some male acting as her "representative". So for instance, a man marrying the heiress of some County would become Count "jure uxoris"; his wife was acknowledged as being Countess "in her own right", but it was her husband who actually ran the County. If she was widowed with a son, then her son would be Count, etc. "in right of his mother"; so she was recognized as being the heiress, but power was exercised by a man (and if he died, it would return to her until there was another male to exercise it, which was usually soon). Choess 18:16, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

It's rather unclear, though - for instance, neither Empress Matilda nor Margaret Beaufort was considered to be Queen, although Henry II and Henry VII, respectively, claimed their thrones through right of their still-living mother. At any rate, this succession table which has been introduced is insane. While the nature of his claims to Naples should be mentioned in the text, I don't see a reason for the succession table to have anything besides Duke of Lorraine on it. john k 21:39, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

I can see removing the titular claims (Duke of Calabria should be titular, too), but Bar, Pont-a-Mousson, Vaudemont, Guise, and Aumale/Harcourt were all part of his lands, AFAIK. Do we have any style guidelines for these succession boxes? "Not insane" is a good guideline, but rather subjective... Choess 22:12, July 9, 2005 (UTC)