Talk:Regnans in Excelsis
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==excommunicated Releasing only her Roman Catholic subjects? The pope claims to be the pastor of all Christians. Should it not therefore say "releasing her Christian subjects"? Michael Hardy 23:06, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Well, it was only her Roman Catholic subjects that the pope was addressing, and only they that might have been expected to take any heed. Djnjwd 23:10, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The same Bull also excommunicated all of Her protestant followers. He could hardly be addressing those. Roberdin 14:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
"The bull opened the way for any Roman Catholic to attempt an assassination..." I'm a little concerned that this suggests that the Pope was issuing a sort of "fatwa" against her, i.e. he wanted her assassinated. Mets 03:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Didn't it? In any case, it was really rather idiotic, since all it did was further ultra-politicize and embitter the already-tangled religious issues in England, by demanding in effect that all English Catholics must become traitors. AnonMoos 12:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Assassination's not in the text; I removed it. --Wetman 13:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Date?
I'm confused... the English translation here ends with Given at St. Peter's at Rome, on 27 April 1570 of the Incarnation; in the fifth year of our pontificate. A bit garbled, but I don't have the Latin source. My question is, how does the 25 February date of this Wikipedia article come about? The feast of the Incarnation, also known as the feast of the Annunciation, is March 25, nine months before December 25 -- at least nowadays. — OtherDave 15:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- In this context, "of the Incarnation" means after the birth of Christ, or A.D. AnonMoos 13:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- AnonMoos: thanks for the note. You reminded me of the practice of dating the new year from March 25th (Annunciation style), and so I see the English translation as a variation of the "year of our lord 1570" format. I'm still puzzled why the "did you know" appeared on Feb 25 if the bull was released on April 27, but I supposed that's when the final draft was saved on the Vatican's server so it could be printed out for the Pope's signature... —OtherDave 15:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Still In Force?
Was it ever retracted? 70.88.213.74 (talk) 21:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- It mostly became irrelevant after Elizabeth died in 1603, and her successor (James the VI and I) signed a peace treaty with Spain. In recent centuries, the main papal bull at issue in Anglican-Catholic institutional relations is probably Apostolicae Curae. In the 19th-century, Universalis Ecclesiae was extremely controversial in England, but is less so nowadays... AnonMoos (talk) 00:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
