Talk:Regnal name

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Does anybody know why they choose these names? Where do the names come from, do they have any special meaning? Does the ordinal have to follow from a different name. Can folks just choose a new name, without having to be the second,third,etc? bdgrell 22:19, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

I believe that common popes name themselves after either their predecessor or a saint/apostle, i.e. John Paul II is named after John Paul I who is named after the respective saints. MessedRocker 22:40, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

No. John Paul I was named after Pope John XXIII and Paul VI. John XXIII was named after John the Apostle. Paul after St. Paul. Pius XII was named after Pius XI, whom he served as Secretary of State. Benedict XVI is supposedly named after Benedict XV. Pius X was named after Pius IX, etc. Some are named after saints, some after predecessors. FearÉIREANN 22:48, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This is why you tend to see papal names in clusters, as the new pope will often take the name of the pope that had made him bishop or cardinal. Of the 11 popes between 1775 and 1958, seven were named Pius. All 14 popes from 1644 to 1774 were named either Alexander, Benedict, Clement, or Innocent. IIRC from "The Prince," Alexander VI took his name for Alexander the Great and Julius II for Julius Caesar. Innocent XIII took the name of his ancestor Innocent III. That said, I don't think we're going to see Sixtus VI anytime soon. Jimpoz 00:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

For those who are interested in papal regnal names AND who speak French, I've added a link to a page I made on French Wikipedia. I hope it's complete enough, and if someone would like to translate it, I'll be honored. :o) Svitrigaila 23:37, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] What does this sentance mean...

Okay, it is a bit late, but I am struggling with trying to figure out how to clean up the following sentance: "Even where that is not the case, rulers may -in stead of a whole dynasty, as is the case with Georgian, referring to several Georges of the Hanoverian dynasty- become eponymous of their age, e.g. in Britain : Victorian (even applied tothe rest of the world, and less correct to its alledged prudish mentality), Edwardian." Maybe someone with a clearer mind could decipher this and please update the article. --JamesTeterenko 06:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Memory of earlier Charles's

The description of the memory in which Charles I and II are held seems pretty POV to me. While Charles I, is, indeed, not remembered terribly well, and did lose his head, this cuts both ways. We should recall that he was for a long time (and, for all I know, still is) considered a martyr to the Church of England, and venerated by Anglicans as such. And to just say that Charles II "is not remembered fondly" is rather strange. If anything, there has been a considerable anti-Whig, pro-Charles II turn in recent historiography, and one which has been rather more notably felt its influence in popular culture than it might have (a recent BBC miniseries about Charles II, with the king portrayed by Rufus Sewell, was quite positive). Beyond this, the general impression of Charles II outside of moralistic Whig circles has always been relatively positive - sure, he was a would-be tyrant, but he was personally pleasant, and made a good time of it. Beyond this, the whole "George VII" business needs an actual source - I've seen a lot of places that say "it is rumored that Charles will do this," but there's no actual evidence of this. john k 20:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Charles II was a very good king, for his times -- but hardly someone likely to be admired by the people in these plebean times. Arthur II might be fanciful and even charming, but undignified. George it may have to be. Just a thought.68.5.64.178 20:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arthur II?

"Both Charles and William have a middle name "Arthur", leading some to fanciful speculation that a real king of that mythical name might reign some day as Arthur II."

Why Arthur II, and not simply Arthur? Surely kings prior to William I are not included in the numbering (e.g. Edward I was later than Edward the Confessor)? I will remove "as Arthur II" unless anyone objects. Mtford 23:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethiopia

Emperors of Ethiopia commonly adopted new names on succession. For example, Haile Selassie is a fairly common name in Ethiopia but it wasn't the baptismal name of the individual in question, who was always known as Tafari Makonnen prior to his accession. Why not mention this well-known example? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.17.174 (talk) 04:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)