Talk:Regeneration (theology)

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[edit] Rebirth

I changed "spiritual rebirth" to "spiritual birth". The "re" of regeneration and the "again" of "born again" is in reference to our natural birth. In regeneration, we are spiritually born, not reborn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFOTMWWNBP (talk • contribs) 18:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

A google shows this is relatively common (cf. also born again). Can you supply a reliable source for this definition? --Flex (talk/contribs) 21:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The source is the plain language of John 3:5-8. In the New King James version: Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Regeneration is being born (not reborn) of the Spirit. Spiritual birth, not rebirth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TFOTMWWNBP (talk • contribs) 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

First, your argument as stated is based on original research, which is verboten here. Second, I think the existing text is a fair reading of the text: Jesus is saying you must be reborn (i.e., born again) and that rebirth is spiritual in nature -- hence "spiritual rebirth." Google confirms this is a common reading. Which reliable source advocates your position? --Flex (talk/contribs) 01:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)