Talk:Redemptoris Mater (seminary)

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[edit] Page naming and quality

This page referes both to an encyclical and a group of missionary seminaries. Clearly, it should refer to only one. I want to start a page for the encyclical itself, because it is in fact a key encyclical. So there are two options:

  • a. We get a page for the encyclical and a page called "Redemptoris Mater (seminaries)"
  • b. We get a page for the seminaries and a page called "Redemptoris Mater (encyclical)"

I prefer option "a" because the page now starts by saying:

Redemptoris Mater is most widely recognized as the title of a Mariological encyclical by Pope John Paul II of 1987-03-25."

So the encyclical is the more recognized item.

Unless there are objections within a few days I will perform a disambiguation and there will be a clear reference to the seminaries at the top of the encyclical page as well. Thanks History2007 (talk) 02:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I almost prefer "Redemptoris Mater Seminary".
Ncwfl (talk) 01:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, great. I will go ahead with the move. History2007 (talk) 03:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Almost the entire article is copied from Neocatechumenal Way article. -- Rpgon2 (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seminaries Redemptoris Mater around the World

The section "Seminaries around the world" lacks sources and seems not to be of particular encyclopedic interest. -- Rpgon2 (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RMS: Neocatechumenal Seminaries

A few notes to clarify why it is not fully correct to describe them only as "international, diocesan, missionary" seminaries.

Redemptoris Mater Seminaries (RMS) are actually Neocatechumenal Way Seminaries, because they only accept priestly vocations coming from Neocatechumenal Way (NCW).

RMS were started by Francisco (Kiko) Argüello and Carmen Hernández for NCW priestly vocations. Why they needed "special" (RMS) seminaries? If you want to help "normal" seminaries, then you do not need to create new seminaries.

The only reason to create RMS is that Kiko and Carmen think that diocesan and missionary seminaries are not good for NCW priestly vocations. If they were good, then all NCW vocations would have entered normal seminaries and religious communities.

Since they were started by Kiko and Carmen, then RMS follow NCW guidelines. If this was not the case, then NCW priestly vocations have no reason to prefer a RMS instead of a normal seminary.

Thus, priests coming from RMS are more "Neocatechumenal-oriented" than NCW priests coming from normal seminaries. This means that RMS priests will most likefully support NCW communities.

Official statements describe RMS as "international, missionary, diocesan" seminaries: while this does not formally contradict the above notes, what attitude will have NCW priests coming from RMS towards anything that does not follow NCW guidelines?

Finally, RMS priests have often been cause of divisions and sect-like behaviour, as stated -for example- by Japan Bishop Conference and Australian people (already cited in footnotes).

[edit] Summary

  1. RMS are neocatechumenal seminaries
  2. RMS began because Kiko and Carmen do not trust diocesan seminaries
  3. RMS follow NCW guidelines instead of diocesan
  4. RMS priests are not willing to waste their time on non-Neocatechumenal affairs
  5. RMS priests cause the same problems that NCW causes worldwide.

Thus, I am updating the correct description. -- Rpgon2 (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)