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[edit] All-time top scorer
I don't know how to edit the side box, but Clint Mathis is currently the all-time top scorer, having passed Savarese this season. See: http://www.metrofanatic.com/team/stats.jsp?ALL=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.211.3 (talk) 02:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
The infobox on all MLS tams states that the informaton includes MLS regular season games only. Mathis has not yet passed Savarese in MLS scoring for New York. KitHutch 17:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reyna
Claudio Reyna will join RBNY, watch for official annoucement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.28.95.86 (talk • contribs) 01:01, January 14, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sinsa Ubiparipovic
Ubiparipovic is Bosnian-born ("Ubiparipovic, a 5'9", 155-pound 23-year-old from Zenica, Bosnia and Herzegovina and the 2006 MAC Player of the Year": http://redbull.newyork.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20070112&content_id=81737&vkey=pr_rbn&fext=.jsp&team=t107) but has a green card ("would be a Youth International for only one season in MLS, except that he has a green card" http://www.matchnight.com/scouting/player.cfm?&RosterID=2533). Hence his flag should be Bosnian, not US. DR31 (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Please see the MLS 2007 Draft page (number 33). I believe we should use the country that it lists on the MLS profile. // Laughing Man 21:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- MLS draft page is not completely correct, it shows the player's place of residence. Ubiparipovic is NOT a US citizen. He is a Bosnian national. MLSnet is notoriously full of mistakes; they don't even list van den Bergh on the roster, for instance. I am sure when they get around to it, they will list Ubiparipovic as Bosnian (with a Green Card). DR31 (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Do you have anything that says MLSnet is notoriously full of mistakes or do you have something that confirm your claims that what they list is incorrect? For a better example than you gave, please refer to how the other fellow Red Bulls draft pick (number 19, Dane Richards) is properly listed. The best source I could find was 2007 MLS official draft results [1] that lists his, although I did find a secondary source that says something on the contrary of what you have recommended. [2] and please re-read the same source you have given: [3]. // Laughing Man 04:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- MLS draft page is not completely correct, it shows the player's place of residence. Ubiparipovic is NOT a US citizen. He is a Bosnian national. MLSnet is notoriously full of mistakes; they don't even list van den Bergh on the roster, for instance. I am sure when they get around to it, they will list Ubiparipovic as Bosnian (with a Green Card). DR31 (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I have something to claim they are incorrect: Ubiparipovic was born in Bosnia and carries a green card per _MY_ discussions with RBNY. He is not American! To claim he is just wrong. If you need further proof where he was born, how about: "When Sinisa Ubiparipovic came to the United States in 1999, he had seen more adversity in his first 15 years than any young athlete should have to. Born in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Ubiparipovic and his family fled to Belgrade and then eventually to the U.S. to escape the war that had torn apart their country for years." Just because someone lives in Ohio, doesn't make them American. The reason why Richards' hometown is listed as Jamaica is because he still lives there; Ubiparipovic's family no longer lives in Bosnia, as the article above shows.
Hi ####, Yes, Bosnian-born but has a green card. ##### ######## Red Bull New York Communications One Harmon Plaza Third Floor Secaucus, NJ 07094 201.###.#### (office) 201.###.#### (cellular) 201.###.#### (fax) #########@newyorkredbulls.com www.redbulls.com
-----Original Message----- From: #####@###.### Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:48 PM To: #########@newyorkredbulls.com Subject: Ubiparipolic Hi ####, just to confirm, Ubiparipolic is Bosnia-born but has a green card?
DR31 (talk) 22:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
As for Laventure, MatchNight is right! He was born in America, and yes, although he's called up for Haiti, he has not played for them; in fact, he has NEVER BEEN TO HAITI prior to this last year! "This will mark the first time Altidore and Laventure will travel to their families' former homeland." DR31 (talk) 21:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- My main concern is that in general, in football-related articles, the country listed in the squad templates normally would designate which national team they would be playing for. In the case of Ubiparipovic, it seems he was born in Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzegovina), he and his family fled to Serbia (Belgrade), and then moved to United States. It seems to me because he has not yet been capped for a national team he has many choices -- that is, if he is good enough to end up on one of them. I still think we should wait until MLS/RBNY update his profile before we speculate and perhaps you can expedite this through your RBNY contact? Just as an example, there were other former international MLS footballers who decided to play for the US national team, such as Predrag Radosavljevic. // Laughing Man 01:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, a large % of players don't play for a national team, so in this case, the Wikipedia convention is usually give the country of birth (and in cases like this, as for many other former Yugoslav or USSR-born players, the country that would have been their birthplace if the current world borders applied). Now, if Ubiparipolic gets US citizenship and drops his Bosnian one, then he should be classified as an American, definitely. Or if he plays for the US national team on some level: witness Laventure; if he gets capped for Haiti, his flag will flip. But Sinisa needs to become a citizen first. DR31 (talk) 04:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Did you find a source that he has citizenship in Bosnia-Herzegovina instead of Serbia? All the sources we have found have stated that his family fled from Bosnia-Herzegovina to Serbia during the wars. // Laughing Man 04:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Evidence? No. And you're right, for all we know, he could have Serb citizenship. But the Wikipedia policy is to go with the place of birth in these questionable cases. If I get a chance to ask him about it later this year, I will. All I know is that he's definitely not American... Yet. DR31 (talk) 14:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, Wikipedia policy is to use reliable sources to back the articles -- in this case the using the official MLS profile for an article about an MLS team seems to be the best source available, and it lists United States as his country. I really don't care at this point but I still recommend we leave with what MLS lists instead of speculating, especially since he was not born in Bosnia and Herzegovina, he was born in Yugoslavia. // Laughing Man 15:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Evidence? No. And you're right, for all we know, he could have Serb citizenship. But the Wikipedia policy is to go with the place of birth in these questionable cases. If I get a chance to ask him about it later this year, I will. All I know is that he's definitely not American... Yet. DR31 (talk) 14:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Did you find a source that he has citizenship in Bosnia-Herzegovina instead of Serbia? All the sources we have found have stated that his family fled from Bosnia-Herzegovina to Serbia during the wars. // Laughing Man 04:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, a large % of players don't play for a national team, so in this case, the Wikipedia convention is usually give the country of birth (and in cases like this, as for many other former Yugoslav or USSR-born players, the country that would have been their birthplace if the current world borders applied). Now, if Ubiparipolic gets US citizenship and drops his Bosnian one, then he should be classified as an American, definitely. Or if he plays for the US national team on some level: witness Laventure; if he gets capped for Haiti, his flag will flip. But Sinisa needs to become a citizen first. DR31 (talk) 04:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Angel
Due to the laws of football set out by FIFA, Angel is not "IN" the New York squad as stated in the article until the next transfer window. Therefore, I recommend taking this out and adding a note somewhere about how the deal has been agreed upon but not to include him in that column. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.108.135 (talk • contribs) 00:42, April 24, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Metrostars logo.gif
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[edit] Captain?
I think Reyna is captain and Angel and Kovalenko are vice captains (68.199.35.102 16:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC))
[edit] New BADGE
can someone try to put our new badge up —Preceding unsigned comment added by ELREYDECOLOMBIA (talk • contribs) 21:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.metrofanatic.com/story.jsp?ID=4724 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ELREYDECOLOMBIA (talk • contribs) 22:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Picture of Shirts
The picture of the home/away shirts, while much prettier than the hodgepodge approximations we have usually on team's websites, they are eggregiously outdated and are in serious need of update. Can someone with a little more technical skill work on this? -- Grant.Alpaugh 15:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Player photos
Pics of most of the first team are now on flickr here. All of these are free under CC-BY-2.0 and can be uploaded to commons. Nanonic (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
