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[edit] Reminder on Wiki guidelines for external links

From the Wikipedia:External links page:

Acceptable links:

Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article.

Links to avoid:

:Links that are added to promote a site, that primarily exist to sell products or services......

Comment: It seems to me in many cases involving real estate articles (see also FSBO), that far too many commercial links exist to businesses simply selling their services and NOT providing information to further our knowledge of the topic.

Ultimately, we may have all to agree on a limited number and, as the Wiki guide linesarticle notes, provide justification for inclusion.

Vivaverdi 03:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

In my opionion, links to individual websites promoting an individual agents are not suitable for an article of this sort. Hence, I support the most recent removal of an agent site by Rasmus Faber.
Vivaverdi 14:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
This site should have reference links rather than external links. Most external links are commercial either way. I have deleted the entire external links section minus the warning. I am tired of two additional real estate commercial links. I have added the wikilink for Multiple Listing Service instead to describe the purpose. Please support me to keep commercial unrelated external links out. --Steroid Expert 08:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
AGREE with above. This article is getting overloaded with links to commercial websites. Vivaverdi 13:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
AGREE with above Due to excessive spamming I have also removed external links to commercial sites. I have also added the old no commercial links sign back in. It is simply helping abuse this article's quality MKS 06:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What external links?

External links are often added to the article. Most of them look as spam or specific for small area. Maybe some rules what links are generally informative should be established. Pavel Vozenilek 19:54, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Most of them are spam, and some of them are disguised as information pages or country-specific pages; the only way to tell is to check them. They're usually quickly reverted. This time I put a warning in an html comment:
==External links==
All links to commercial sites (including those disguised as "country-specific information")
will be deleted, please do not waste your time and ours. Thank you.
National Association of Realtors is an exception because it has its own article, so I put it in "See also" instead. This could be a good rule for future links: only organizations with their own valid articles are allowed here. Lawrence Lavigne 03:11, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

Does not "Real estate" derive from the fact that these were protected by "real" actions i.e actions that would give back possession of the estate ?

Does anyone have a link to Unit Mixes on Florida Apartments?

[edit] Real Estate

it was not my intention to disguise anything nanaimoinformation.com is a link I placed in the Nanaimo section (My hometown) it is a website with great information for those interested in the city of nanaimo, including information on the towns greatest resource its - outdoor activities, hikes etc www.nanaimoinformation.com/extension-ridge.php (For example)- the real estate webmasters community link I placed was incorrect, I put real estate community, and meant to link to www.realestatewebmasters.com/forum.php it is one of the largest real estate discussion groups on the web, and is not commercial in any way.

I am new to Wiki and trying to figure out how this works - your guideance and patience is appreciate, I will read over the TOS again to make sure I am posting correctly.

Your local website appears to be not of interest to the vast majority of readers (see discussion above) and the forum appears to be relevant only to estate agents interested in SEO techniques, and therefore the links don't seem suitable for an encyclopaedia. You can find guidelines about external links here. -- zzuuzz (talk) 02:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real = Royal?

The Discussion for the Real property article says that the 'real' of 'real estate' comes from a different Latin root than 'royal'.

In spite of the name, the law does not consider real property more genuine or 'real' than personal property. In law, the word real means relating to a thing (from Latin res, matter or thing), as distinguished from a person. Thus the law broadly distinguishes between real property (land and anything affixed to it) and personal property (everything else, e.g., clothing, furniture, money). The conceptual difference was between immovable property, which would transfer title along with the land, and movable property, which a person would retain title to. The term is not derived from the notion of land having historically been 'royal' property. The word royal — and its Spanish cognate real — come from the unrelated Latin word rex, meaning king.

In _Cashflow Quadrant_, Robert Kiyosaki states that 'real' is cognate with 'royal' -- I wonder what his sources are for this assertion. --Syd Barrett 09:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the term "real estate" meant a "royal holding." The idea is that you never really "own" a property, that the government, or king does, and they can therefore charge taxes. You hold the property (estate meaning holding) with license from the king (or government). I also seem to remember hearing a rumor that the title contracts never actually declare ownership of the property, just ownership of the title to the property. --mkahmvet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.8.76.147 (talk) 15:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Educational game

I put together a Real Estate game that walks the player through the Resedential buying proccess. The game is featured on a Realator's web site, but it is educational and I want to submit it into the links section. I tried doing so, and it was quickly deleted as if it were spam. I thought this was an open community, and I want to make my contribution. What should I do? The game can be found at westmi4u.com.

While the game may be educational, the site is primarily commercial and as such was correctly removed by --Aude. He even posted a standard warning message to the talk page of the address you posted the link from. Please read the pages linked from here. --GraemeL (talk) 16:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Support removal of "Lone Wolf" purely commercial wiki article link

Vivaverdi 14:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phenomena of low-commission contracts

Where in Wikipedia can we find (or should we find) discussion of the phenomena of low-commission house sale and house purchase agreements? I've searched the 'List of real estate topics' and Real estate categories, and came up empty. This surprised me.

I don't know much about the phenomena, but I know it is and has been talked about a lot recently on the internet. Here is an CUNY journalism professor:

and here is a recent New York Times article on the subject:

which has this to say about it:

"The Internet has radically changed the way consumers buy books and airline tickets, trade stock and learn news. But the real estate industry has resisted change — and protected its commission structure — by controlling the information on its Multiple Listing Service database of properties for sale." (New York Times, 3 Sep 2006)

The phenomena seems to have a history, and perhaps is trending up or trending down. Surely, this is topic that fits somewhere in the encyclopedia of encyclopedias? Am I just missing where it is? N2e 04:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

See Multiple Listing Service and Flat fee MLS
Vivaverdi, 6 Oct European keyboard has no bracjets and tlides)
Thanks Vivaverdi. That helps. Those articles need a bit of work, but now I know where to find them. N2e 03:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article look like a big block of text, surely there is no need to elaberate or provide the details of which rules need to be infured. I request the native editors to see to the matter. frummer 14:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too American focused

I find this article, and many other wikipedia articles, over American focused. For example, there is no reason to believe that the term "property" has been shortened from "real property" rather than the other way around.

Enough criticism, let's talk improvements. Since the legal term "real estate" is specific to the US(and Canada?), I suggest to state this clearly at places where appropriate. I am happy to do so but I have no idea which parts are American only and which aren't. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siriushoward (talk • contribs) 00:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Where can we go to get information from other countries? (Patricia Op 23:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC))
I really do think we need more info for foreign policies. Again, does anyone have any idea where to go? (Patricia Op 21:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC))
I have created a new section header called "Real estate terminology and practice outside the United States", under which are the existing sections of the term in Europe and practice in Mexico and Central America.
It is a start. Maybe we can go from here in including sections on different national practices as find out about them. Viva-Verdi (talk) 19:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The text about real estate in Mexico and Central America is very American centered too (referring to Mexico as "they" for example). 71.102.74.156 (talk) 07:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help

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[edit] Removed 'citation needed' tag in etymology

There was a 'citation needed' tag on the statement that the "real" is not related to the connection to royal ownership. The previously given reference etymology is tantamount to a reference that alternative etymologies are erroneous, and so I removed the tag. Ordinary Person (talk) 11:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Short sale (real estate) internal wiki link from this article

There seems to have been no dicussion on either this or the short sale talk page.

Of greater relevance, the actual short sale article itself needs a lot of work. Right now, it reads like a promo piece or is copied from an existing web site or other source. Viva-Verdi (talk) 15:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] US bias

I really find titles like "Real estate terminology and practice outside the United States" very US-centric. Better would be "Real estate terminology and practice", subdivided into, "US", "UK", "France", "Other" etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rugops (talk • contribs) 10:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)