Talk:Raw veganism

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How is mentioning an outbreak of illness related to veggies related to criticism of raw veganism? Remove?

  • I changed it to "Cautions". Wahkeenah 11:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I still don't see the relevance, in particular mentioning an outbreak at taco bell restaurants as a caution for raw veganism is absurd.
      • The relevance is that raw vegetables, just like raw meat, are risky to consume without proper preparation. And FYI, I like raw vegetables better than cooked. But they must be thoroughly washed. Wahkeenah 13:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Although not recommended by the Vegan Society, I believe eating "dirty carrots" (i.e. lightly washed raw organic carrots, with surface deposits of soil) once a week is a good source of vitamin B12 (it is the one I use). Part of the problem is we are now eating food which is too sanitized, such as the food industry cleaning fruit and vegetables with chlorine baths (chlorine is also carcinogenic). As for E.coli and the raw organic spinach story in the US, this is interesting. Normally fruit and vegetables would naturally filter out harmful bacteria from the soil. As I see it, the problem lies either with the weak genetic make up of the spinach, the unusually high bacteria content of the animal manure used, or the low immunity of the infected humans. nirvana2013 09:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicated information

This page is almost entirely duplicated information from Raw food diet. I tried making it redirect there, but this change was reverted due to lack of consensus. I don't know who is supposed to agree, all Wikipedia users? Administrators? How does one attempt to arrive at consensus, and when do you decide that consensus is reached? At 2 people? 10 people? Keithkml 22:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

They are similar but not the same. The raw food diet includes animal products such as milk, and raw veganism does not. Perhaps raw foodism needs to become a disambiguation page directing to the different types of raw food diets i.e. those containing meat, those containing milk and those containing solely plant matter. Also just for the record, the duplicated information on the raw food diet article was copied from this article, rather than vica-verca. nirvana2013 22:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
A link about eating raw eggs, for example, should include the first Rocky film. :) Wahkeenah 00:27, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be more appropriate to delete Raw veganism and add a section to Raw food diet describing different versions. If it's not deleted, at least the parts which are duplicated from Raw food diet can be removed. Keithkml 01:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe the raw food diet is a specific diet (see list of diets) which can include animal products, so to merge raw veganism into that article would be incorrect. A merge would only be correct if the raw food diet article is first moved to either raw food diets (i.e. plural, there are different types) or raw foodism (my personal preference), which are generic titles. Raw veganism would require its own section on raw foodism as, if this were to take place, raw vegans generally disassociate themselves with other raw foodists that eat meat or drink milk (see Woody Harrelson on The Independent article [1]). Raw foodists are either:
nirvana2013 11:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree that raw food diet could have a better name. I added a section to it listing some diets and people will probably add to it. In a Venn diagram of raw foodism and veganism, raw veganism is the overlap. There's not enough interesting information on raw veganism to warrant its own page, so now that veganism is mentioned on raw food diet, raw veganism is no longer necessary. Keithkml 03:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Raw Vegetarianism in Chinese Eyes of 1970s

I remember reading the now deceased Chinese foodie Kan Yi-ching writing about "Western vegetarianism" in a book collated in Hong Kong in 1984. The article sounded quite 1970s-ish in tone but I remember the remarks were quite crude and unflattering to say the least. "Those Chinese students who have studied in the West and who had witnessed Western strict vegetarianism [raw vegetarianism] came back and reported that they 'felt like being a goat eating grass as everything was so flavourless and eaten raw.". I haven't got the book handy here, but maybe I will provide a quote aftering gaining access to the quote. --JNZ 02:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Good on you! Go ahead, it's a good idea. --122.107.170.190 (talk) 06:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)