Talk:Ramzi Binalshibh

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Rather than say key al Qaeda member who allegedly helped in planning I'd like to have something less passive, like: XYZ alleged that or According to PQR, he was --Ed Poor

[edit] 20th Hijacker?

Although Binalshibh undoubtedly planned to join the operation in the US, he should not be lumped into the group of men known as the 20th hijacker who were tasked to fill the remaining muscle hijacker spot on United 93. He was to be the 4th pilot, a task filled by Hani Hanjour as evidence shows. He conspired with the other hijackers in Germany and attempted to get a visa and train at the same flight school in Venice, FL as Jarrah (thus the pilots would train in pairs, Atta and alshehhi at huffman, and Jarrah and Binalshibh in Venice. I do not so stronly object to the term 20th hijacker, but i dont believe that a detailed examination into the attempt to fill out the muscle for flight 93 really belongs here. KarlJohannes 20:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I concur. And I also think the term 20th hijacker is deceptive, because there's no evidence anyone wanted to have 20. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but the term is implanted in the conventional wisdom too much to erase, and that argument is presented in the 20th hijacker article, but how else would you categorize khatami for instance who was turned away at customs while atta was waiting to pick him up? anyways all im saying here is that ramzi bin alshibh was never intended to be a muscle hijacker but rather was to be the 4th pilot, im not sure how hani hanjor fits in exactly, whether he was approved of after binalshibh couldnt get his visa or was held as a backup or as a 5th pilot, i guess we will never know such details. KarlJohannes 20:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

His dead ...I hope Catarcostica 07:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alive?

Has any independent source (e.g. the Red Cross) confirmed that he is still alive?--Oneiros (talk) 23:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)