Talk:Ramon Martinez (fencing instructor)

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[edit] Cleanup

Two significant changes to this page - Removed the title 'Maestro'. Ramon Martinez has not completed a fencing Master's course with any accredited body. He claims the title 'Fencing Master' was conferred on him by his teacher, Emile Rhodes. Fencing Master's certification is a standardized qualification, with requirements for advanced study in physical education and sports science, in addition to fencing pedagogy. The qualification is conferred by the USFA Coaches College, and by various national, physical education and sports training bodies.

Additionally, reference to 'Classical Fencing' was removed, but the term 'Historical Fencing' remains. 'Classical Fencing' is often misused as a synonym of historical fencing, but, in fact, refers to the standardization and theorization of fencing from the 18th century, largely by French practitioners. Classical, French fencing forms the basis of all modern national schools (with the arguable exception of Hungarian advances in sabre technique), and forms the basis for modern, Olympic sport fencing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.168.238.7 (talk) 21:57, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Agree with both changes. Thanks. -- Satori Son 22:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Not to seem a fan-- I actually have a number of problems with the way Martinez teaches and would not recommend him --but is that really the only way to be termed a "master"? Your own statement contrasts with the current text at the maestro article, which states that it may describe "someone who has gained enough knowledge within that field to be able to teach students successfully, though the term may sometimes be conferred through sheer respect for an artist's works... ...maestro and maestra are both used in a similar way in the sport of fencing, but for a fencing master." Martinez is certainly teaching, and is recognized by other professionals, though not as an "accredited body". so sayeth Lucky Number 49 Yell at me! 02:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, while I agree on the matter of "classical" fencing, Martinez himself refers to what he teaches at such. Perhaps it is worthwhile to mention the distinction within the article? so sayeth Lucky Number 49 Yell at me! 02:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SUNY Purchase

I know from personal experience-- having taken a semester under him myself --that Martinez has taught the Fencing class at SUNY Purchase College. The only reference I can find to this is from a student publication at the school. Does anyone feel that's a valid resource, or is there another reference we might use?