Talk:Rainer Werner Fassbinder

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I removed the word gay from the biography because I find it relatively insignificant in such a short biography, especially in the first few sentences.

Also there is the question of whether or not Fassbinder was gay or not. He surely had relationships with men, both sexual and romantic. But he also had romantic relationships with women, including his last relationship. It would be perfectly appropriate to mention his sexuality in the context of a longer and more detailed biography of his life. But to simply label him a gay German director in the opening sentences of this short text is not neccesary.

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Need it be an either/or question?

An openly gay man who made films with explicitly gay content -- certainly as significant a part of his biography as "German" and probably moreso. What motivates a person to actively remove a fact that at least some people find significant enough to include?--Kstern999 04:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

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The film "Why Does Herr R. Run Amok?" was not directed by Fassbinder, though it is oftern still credited to him. It was actually his assistant who directed the film. See, e.g., http://www.villagevoice.com/film/0309,sontag,42133,20.html

This page article should be updated to note that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.163.201.139 (talk • contribs) 03:45, September 19, 2005 (UTC)

That run-on sentence in para four needs to be restructured. Will take a whack at it when I have a moment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.33.97.172 (talk • contribs) 02:44, October 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who's plagiarizing who?

A few sentences in in this article seem to be lifted, without attribution, straight from the first article that comes up when you google RWF... or vice versa. Somebody's plagiarized somebody else. I can't think of an easy way to figure out which was written first.

http://web.uvic.ca/geru/439/fassbinder.html

Michael Wells 05:22, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


Interesting comment by Hanna Schygulla about "Why Does Herr R. Run Amok?" not having been directed by him. I hope that the same is true of "Die Niklashauser Fahrt" which was clearly improvised and, worse, not very good. Any evidence of this? Any others? I've wondered (since the 1970s): how could one man direct 10 films in one year, as well as write them, act in some of them, produce plays etc? Even a genius like RWF. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.168.10.145 (talk • contribs) 00:19, December 15, 2005 (UTC)

Tons of cocaine, basically. Deleuze 07:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drug overdose?

Just wondering if anybody knows which particular drug he overdosed on. The blanket term "drug overdose" is too vague. It usually means heroin, but does anyone actually know? I don't want to edit with a guess. - Lontano 11:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Good old Google. Found it. - Lontano 12:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] WEAK BIO

I don't think that the bio does justice to the complexity of Fassbinder's life--

1) What about his theater career (and subsequent technical training), an important factor in how he was able to make/finance so many films in so little time....

2) More should be said about his work ethic and in particular his violent temper (a reference to the self-deprecation in Beware of a Holy Whore may be appropriate).

3) There is no mention of his marriages.

4) Also I agree with the earlier poster in that describing Fassbinder as gay is not sufficient. Did he even describe himself as gay? Perhaps the term 'queer' would be more accurate. An entire section in the article could possibly be devoted to this, and citations would be helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.28.10 (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Writing Fassbinder's article

Rather than try to improve the previous entry I wrote a new article from scratch. In fact, I kept very little from the former entry. It was, as mention here, a weak biography. I think I have made a good job. Fassbinder's life was as interesting as any of his films.

Miguelemejia (talk • contribs)

00:35, 26 October 2007

  • I just wanted to comment that this is a very well-written article and I hope it gets promoted to good article status. I once took a film class on the "Films of Fassbinder". I am adding this article to my watchlist to participate in improvement of the article. Deatonjr (talk) 20:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Getting this article up to FA would be a good goal. Miguel has done a great job with this article. I don't think we need to do much to get it there. Bartleby (talk) 03:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)