Talk:Rain (entertainer)

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THis page is quite messy, and more info would be nice. Although it is hard to translate Korean or another language, more about his works would also be nice to see! :)

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[edit] Fixes

I did some minor fixes, added a section called 'Name' and pasted some of biography to that section. Still, this page needs a LOT of cleaning up.

[edit] Neutrality Despute

I added a npov warning on the main page.

Thats been removed.Kairos 01:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wow! A mess!

This article reads like the end result of one foreigner's afternoon with the AltaVista Babelfish translator. I tried. I really, really tried to help. But sentences like "Rain discovered his passion for dancing ever since he was in the 6th grade" have convinced me that this article is just doomed.

[edit] What a mess!

I'm halfway through cleaning up the biography, but that's just to remove the superlatives and for readability. A little organisation could go a long way with this page...

The award section needs to be looked over. For example, I know he won KBS best couple award with Song hye kyo in 2004. I think there are a few others missing awards or incorrect year. Someone needs to fact check all of it (someone who can read Korean).

[edit] True.

Yeah. I come to clean it time to time, but there are so many to fix. One of the biggest problem is Rain is largely Asian based and you can't get that many English citations.



[edit] Cleanup

People have cleaned this up, which is surprising, but appreciated. However, two things. First, as his stage name is Rain, and as he is popularly known by that term, he should be referenced as "Rain" in the article. Right now, he's mentioned by his full name in the article. Second, that news section either has to be integrated or deleted, cuz it's just too large and trivial at this point. I'll start the naming... SKS2K6 19:29, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit:Sorry, I have to add this: there are NO REFERENCES anywhere in the article. And there are many points where references are needed, from his supposedly fast ticket sales to his desire for dance to his duets.... The only fact that is partially referenced is his 3rd album sales numbers, which needs a direct reference. SKS2K6 19:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Heya, I went through the other day and re-organised the page, deleted some useless stuff, and added in references. I think there should be a better way to organise the different spellings of his name, though. Oncamera 03:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where'd his picture go?

I could swear he had one when I first saw this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metatron's Cube (talk • contribs) 20:56, March 11, 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted because it either wasn't a free image or it didn't have a source/image tag included. So that's why it's gone. If someone could find a free image of him, then they should upload it. oncamera(t) 09:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalisms.

Lots of Lots of Lots of vandalisms related to Korean articles. Hey, it's not our fault that people died in Virginia Tech... If the gunman waited just a few months more, he would have gotten the American citizenship. Why is it Korea's fault? I don't even understand it. That gunman came to America when he was eight years old. Obviously, he does not necessarily have the same mind as most Koreans. (no offense to any race, the earth is one). Polleo 23:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

My name rhymes with Pollio for a good reason (I don't have it though). Polleo 23:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time Magazine votes

Although I do agree that the vote is slanted, and I do feel that Rain's fanbase just voted for him repeatedly until he got first, I feel that such a statement should not be included in this Wikipedia article. First, there is no proof. The only link is for the blog comments, which are simply comments, not facts. Second, this is non-neutral. Since there is no proof, it is merely one's opinion. The fact that Rain got first and was not included in the article is factual. The "fact" that the vote was slanted is actually not fact. This is why I keep removing the statement from the article. Plus, there are so many comments on that page that it takes forever to look at them, and it's basically equivalent to linking to a forum, which Wikipedia does not really allow. SKS2K6 01:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stephen Colbert parody?

Would it be o.k. to mention that Rain was parodied by Stephen Colbert under the fame in the United States section? Is it considerable enough to note?

Sure. I was thinking of adding it, but it would be hard to source, seeing as if the only source is a youtube clip, which has no copyright info. Since it's tied to the whole Time 100 vote thing...I suppose it's notable.SKS2K6 06:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed it was added already. Here is a useful link on this subject :Stephen Colbert Debuts as Korean Singer
There is no need for youtube when there is an official site.Comedy Central. I think it is an important subject as it does influeces Rain's carear in the U.S.
Ron64 09:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Can anyone help with citing the page? Needs lots of references, but most are either in Korean or Chinese, and they're all in gossip news. Are these citations allowed? And the picture, too. Please update picture..maybe one of his world tour concerts or when he's wearing a suit.

[edit] Influential People

Is there any particular reason Time named him one of the most influential people? It's not really made clear in the article, and the only real place it's mentioned is at the top in that little paragraph. I'm not saying he has no reason to be given such a title, but the article doesn't really show how he is "influential" other than having a whole crapload of musical hits and whatnot. 69.124.142.33 02:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Time's listing of the world's most "influential people", is not limited to those who have had a particularly beneficial impact in today's world. Although Time's list consists mostly of major philanthrophists, prominent scientists, politicians (mostly American), and the such, there are a good deal of entertainers and athletes that are listed also (with little global "influence"). Anyways, the rational for Rain being on the list is probably more reasonable than some other characters on Time's list (Michelle Wie?). At the peak of his popularity, Rain was arguably the most popular figure in Eastern and Southeastern Asia, and thus his "influence" on a vast portion of the "world's" pop culture could be said to be profound.

Korea, being one of the most wired countries in the world, can easily stuff electronic ballot boxes. Once someone gets wind of a survey in which a Korean is involved, the word goes out, usually with the Korean phrase "Let's show the world our power," and a legion of Korean fans will work to bounce their choice up the chart. In this case, though, they had a bit of competition from the Thais. Here's a report from in the middle of the fray. http://partypooper.blogs.com/partypooper/2007/04/knetizen_comeup.html Kkachi 05:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Kkachi

Time didn't name Rain as one of the world's "Most Influential People" in 2007. In 2007, Rain was "voted" by fans, and reached number 1 in Time's POLL of the most influential people (probably a result of giddy fans voting repeatedly). The actual magazine did not include Rain on the list. It was the year before that, around the time of his Rainy Day Tour that he actually made the magazine got him on the list. Read the article at time.com if you want to know why this was. Chiaren

[edit] Birth Place

I'm pretty sure he was not born in Seoul. I think Seosan, Choongnam is correct. However, like this mess of an article, I can't provide a sitation. Did he try to write this article himself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krazykimchi (talk • contribs) 03:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Importance

So why's this guy so influential? Is it ballot stuffing, or is some foreign pop-star really more influential then everyone else in the world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2k6168 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

In short, the Korean Wave includes several artists who are considered leaders of the movement. Rain is considered one of them because of his goal in becoming world-renown. The ballot box stuffing isn't the reason for his notability. I don't think he's as popular in the west as for example Hiromi Go back in the 1970s or Seiko Matsuda during the 1980s. But the fans are ten-times worse than Apple fanboys; it is probably linked to the country being the top or 2nd from the top of Internet-savvy people in this world. These fans make Barack Obama's fan look like tourist agents for Antarctica. South Korean artists are IMHO the most motivated group of people you will ever see on planet Earth. Where people like Rain get this motivation - I'd sure like to know. People in other Asian countries aren't as animate about the world recognizing them as the Koreans. Groink (talk) 03:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
It's both, really. My theory is that the influence, so to speak, is a direct product of ballot stuffing. Rain has a fairly large fanbase to begin with among Koreans, other Asians and what have you. When they heard that Time Magazine was holding an online poll, Rain fans just rushed to the site and stuffed the ballots. Since pretty much every American and his/her mom has heard of Time Magazine, it caught the attention of Stephen Colbert & co., who blew up the whole thing into unimaginable proportions. Once his name got circulated, it reached the ears of movie producers, and whoever else decides to hire Rain for something. Again, this isn't a hard, factual thing, but merely my theory based on what went on. Pandacomics (talk) 04:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)