Talk:Raggare

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I'd like to see a pronunciation guide for this term. Also, the entry claims the term "Raggare" comes from the word "Ragga". Well, what language is that original word from? -- Someone who didn't sign his/her entry


--24.212.35.237 20:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)"Raggare" is the swedish way to pronoune Rocker. Voilà!

"Ragga" is a Swedish word, meaning "to try to pick up" or something along those lines. "Raggare" is to "ragga" as english "runner" is to "run". Just a "nounification" of the word. I have no idea how to do a proper pronounciation guide, but I do know how to pronounce the word (since I am Swedish). --81.233.90.182 18:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The songs "Punkdjävlar!" and "Punkar'n och raggar'n" are not "against punks". Punkdjävlar is punk music, punk attitude, and cheeky lyrics saying that punks are ugly and sound like hell. IOW, it's irony, a joke... Punkarn och raggarn is about a raggare who picks up a punk girl and has sex with her in his car (IOW, a love song).

"about a raggare who picks up a punk girl and has sex with her in his car (IOW, a love song)". And who said that the Swedes weren't romantic? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
For a raggare that is romance (and in the song it is clear that they are still together at least nine months later...)

[edit] Various problems

I like the article (and the images!), but have a few complains which I'm too lazy to do something about:

  • "found mostly in ... and smaller villages" should probably read "... and smaller towns".
  • What is the connection between raggare and similar subcultures in the US, anyway? I seem to recall the term rocker. And biker culture. Conversely, what is the difference? They are in the See Also section, but ...
  • Should mention cruising, and att ströga, if there's a difference, and if it's not something people just do in Falköping.
  • Age profile of the people today (I suppose most are in their forties). Decline or not?
  • Do raggare really listen to rockabilly, or is that a false stereotype? Springsteen and Creedence seem more likely.
  • The Meduza—punk thing is a bit irrelevant. He wrote one or two songs about punk, but his art was more about music, sex, booze, cars and (perhaps) irony.
  • The Sex Pistols incident — likewise.
  • References for the raggare—skinhead—neonazi connection, please. The part about xenophobia sounds believable, but ...
  • "unusual (for Swedes) pro-American stance" — I don't believe that is true. Swedes are, generally, pro-American in terms of culture. The following "low-brow" section is enough to explain why raggare are low-status.
I have tried to fix some of your concerns. Raggare is probably simmilar to the greaser subculture, but they have evolved differently in Scandinavia. Ae there any greasers left on the US side of the pond? Crusing (raggarrunda) is now mentioned. No idea about the age profile, but as far as I can tell there are many younger raggares as well. Altough they rareley can afford a 1950s US fintail car so they use something like Volvo 240s or 1970s european Fords (I recently saw (in meeting traffic) a couple of youngsters in a Ford Taunus Mk II painted in the classic flames). I added a source for the rockabilly claim. Kopparbergs brewery published a double CD called "Raggarrock" in 2004[1]. Agree on the Meduza part. The Sex Pistols incident is of some historical significance as it's possibly the first time raggare came to international attention. Well, raggare was very pro-US even in the 1960s and used to attack for instance demonstrations against the vietnam war I agree that it seems somewhat out of place under the "Raggare today" heading. The raggare—skinhead—neonazi connection seems a bit odd. I can see how rual xenophobia can lead to neo-nazism, but I don't see how skinheads fit in. // Liftarn

[edit] Seriously... this article is a mess

This article should exist as much as any other article on a subculture, but in it's current form, it's a mess. Remember this is an encyclopedia. Information should be factual, objective, and written in a style of language that may be expected from an encyclopedia. Not to mention it should be written in decent English language.

Normally I'm not too lazy to edit and partially rewrite an article, but in this case this would mean rewriting the entire article from scratch, using the scattered bits and pieces that are on the page right now. One problem is I don't know enough about the subject to be able to do that properly. So, I removed the majority of the mess; if anyone who's interested in this article and knows enough about it reads this; start working on it, feel free to use useful information from older versions, but please don't put that stuff back as it was. Instead, please rewrite the article, and this time make it a proper article. RagingR2 00:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I have added a few references. I also found that raggare may be called (or have been compared to) blousons noirs, nozems and lederjacken in various parts of the world. // Liftarn