Talk:Ragamuffin (cat)
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[edit] Article Expanded
The article has been expanded but still could use some more information, I will continue to research this breed and invite anyone with a passion and knowledge for cats, particularly this breed of course, to contribute to this article. Thanks, Malix 14:49 EST, December 9, 2005.
Ragamuffin has multiple meanings.."A shabbily clothed, dirty child"
[edit] A Demon?
Can anybody confirm that Ragamufin as a name of a demon? I found it at *http://st09.startlogic.com/~pendrago/demons.html but it's hard for me to believe that or several other names.
[edit] history changes
This history was related to me by one of the founding breeders, Janet K.[1] over dinner. She is the founder of Encore Cats, Brandon/Valrico Florida. I have also had personal Acquaintance with Judy M. who now resides in Clearwater Florida and am living with Lynn T, the founder of Encore Too!, an off shoot and Janet's affiliated cattery. also see the unofficial history as told by Janet K. http://ragamuffinsragamuffinsragamuffins.yuku.com/topic/1636/t/RagaMuffin-History-by-Janet.html Jiohdi (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, forums and personal websites are in most circumstances not considered reliable source (see Wikipedia:Reliable sources). Furthermore, unflattering biographical material has even stricter rules regarding reliable source (see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). I have removed the offending text. If you have reliable source from say official breed registry publications or books feel free to add them back. For example I found this source that backs up the car accident/experiment thing, although it is presented as an unattributed rumor rather than Baker's version of the breed history. --220.255.x.x (talk) 09:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Mrs Ann Baker is now deceased and the information I have is from a first hand source, the president of the breed association, Janet K. who owns the Ragamuffin.net website. the above history by Janet is her first hand account, verified by her, over dinner in tampa florida april 13, 2008. I don't know what more I can give to verify this unless wikipedia wants signed affidavids. Her website has her email address and you can write her to confirm the details. She is one of the four founding breeders of the line.Jiohdi (talk) 15:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok so BLP does not apply, but WP:RS, WP:V still has to be met. From Wikipedia:Verifiability:
- Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources in articles about themselves, so long as:
- 1. the material used is relevant to their notability;
- 2. it is not contentious;
- 3. it is not unduly self-serving;
- 4. it does not involve claims about third parties;
- 5. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
- 6. there is no reasonable doubt as to who authored it;
- 7. the article is not based primarily on such sources.
Negative claims about Baker fails at least point 3 and 4, and possibly 2. Positive claims about Janet and Co. fails point 3. You could probably cite the non-contentious stuffs to the forum post, but as per 7, it should not be the only source used for the article.--220.255.x.x (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I have re-written to remain as unbaised as possible while preserving the relevant facts, I hope this meets your approval, I am all for accuracy on this subjectJiohdi (talk) 15:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- most excellent work X.X., I am sure the community will be pleased with your hard work.Jiohdi (talk) 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] standards
the ACFA RAGAMUFFIN Standard Revised April 2000
- General
- The overall impression of the RagaMuffin should be one of sweetness and robust health. RagaMuffin females are generally considerably smaller than males, both being muscular, and heavy with a tendency toward a fatty pad (greater omentum) on the lower abdomen. RagaMuffins attain full maturity at approximately four years of age. The cat is striking whether it is color point, color point with a white blaze or star, mitts and tipped tail set against darker fur, a dramatically marked tabby, or a breathtaking calico. The only extremes in this cat are large size, large expressive eyes and docile nature. A RagaMuffin is people loving and affectionate-a large, cuddly, feline teddy bear![2] Jiohdi (talk) 15:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
