Talk:Rafael Trujillo

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A very sinister article. It is full of loaded words for a start. Not that I thought very highly of the subject before reading the article...

I have to agree with the comment below. This article is extremely poorly written and worse, it covers a major figure in 20th century history. If a professor of Caribbean Studies could please intervene here, it would be most appreciated.


Wikipedia is a joke! This whole article is fraught with errors and lack of authoritative sources.

Wikipedia does have some great information on a range of subjects, however this stands as a terrible example of what can slip through the cracks. Trujillo was an iconic figure often referenced in studies of 20th Century Latin-American history, it would be a shame if someone who really didnt have any other sources had to use this crap to write an essay for elementary world history or something. I think many people on here waste too much time arguing about whether there should be an article on Brian Peppers rather than making articles readable. --76.174.41.9 00:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Assassination

When he was killed, he was stuffed into the luggage case of the car and drove to one of the conspirators house, where he was later found by two military men doing raids for his assasins wasnt he? it was reported when they opened the cars luggage case they saw "el jefe" dead. and start weeping. but here it says he was left for dead on the bulevard I only skimmed this, but when I come across "megalomaniacal" I wonder about NPOV. - Hephaestos 04:52 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

it is a fact that he was "megalomaniacal".

[edit] Spanish naming conventions

Do we have to include "Leónidas"? J. Parker Stone 02:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, we include all the accents. I just did. --Damifb (talk) 12:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

It would make sense considering that's his name. Wouldn't you feel a little odd looking at an article for George Bush (no mention of middle name) or perhaps O Simpson (J being his middle initial and therefore not needed.)

AS far as the assination why did it take so long for it to happen and whyd the Us help kill so many other people along with the help of this tyrant?what countries are hiding this pigs family so they arent killed by people seeking revenge for their loved ones? i think the family should all be taken to a deserted island and executed for all the lies they took part in and the killings they helped cover up so the CIA THE FBI and others should rid the world of bastards like this family once and for all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.148.27 (talk) 00:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

assination: With the killings of hundreds of people by this man whyd it take so long for someone to kill him? whyd the US help kill innocent peole such as jesus galindaz? what other countries are hiding and protecting the members of that pigs family and how much are they being payed to do it? this country does nothing to help protect people from killers like that family instead they help cover them up and protect the killers theirselfs i really hope that one day the families will get tioghther and get revenge against that family of killers each and everyone plus all their rich friends

[edit] Aftermath

I just fixed a bit of grammar there, but I didn't quite know what the author wanted to say about changing placenames so I deleted the phrase. Perhaps someone knows what I mean.

[edit] Enviromental policy?

Jared Diamond's book Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed states that Trujillo was responsible for supporting sustainable management of the Dominican Republic's forests, which eventually contributed to the Republic's comparative wealth and stability, as opposed to Haiti which eventually suffered collapse due to mismanagement of it's own natural resources. Although the book doesn't go into details about why, it says that Trujillo was deeply passionate about conservation, and he believed that all the forests in the Dominican Republic should be protected. Should not something about this be in the article? what other information about his enviromental ideas are there? --Krsont 20:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

You are confusing Trujillo with the later Joaquín Balaguer.


There was some vandilsism I deleted it 2/14/07 -metsfanalex

[edit] Move

I moved the page to "Rafael Trujillo" as it is much more commonly used.--Jersey Devil 02:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Health and Sexuality

This article is terribly written. The entire section on health and sexuality is unsourced and obviously written by someone with English as a second language. I am deleting the entire section.Wuapinmon 03:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


Again, this section was deleted by me. It is horribly written and unsupported. Wuapinmon 05:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


Mandsford's recent edits are excellent. Will the vandalization of this page will never stop? Wuapinmon 18:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


Is it true that Trujillo systematically raped as many women as he could? As described in "The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao"

[edit] Copyright violations

Some of this article appears verbatim from http://countrystudies.us/dominican-republic/11.htm, but interestingly with revisions to the ideas themselves rather than to the wording. For example, the sentence "Ideologically, Trujillo leaned toward fascism" was changed to "Ideologically, Trujillo leaned toward capitalism". Jfisherhr 02:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Use of "Dictator" in Wikipedia

Please see here for debate, thanks. Tazmaniacs 15:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That change from "fascism" to "capitalism" makes the article nonsensical, since the sentences immediately before and after describe him as a kind of anti-capitalist:

"The establishment of state monopolies over all major enterprises in the country brought riches to the Trujillos through the manipulation of prices and inventories as well as the outright embezzlement of funds."

"However, Trujillo was not an ideologue, but a Dominican caudillo expanded to monstrous proportions by his absolute control of the nation's resources."

I am not a Trujillo historian, but since nearly the entire article describes a fascist, with no defense of any capitalist leanings he might ever have had, I am going to change "capitalist" to "fascist". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brat0009 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article sucks

Completely biased against Trujillo 71.81.56.237 (talk) 04:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

In fact this article paints a "rosy" picture of him. Many of his crimes are left unmentioned in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.202.255.201 (talk) 14:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy Section

"Trujillo was very creative in the elimination of his political opponents and other people he just didn't like. He liked to throw people into volcanoes just for fun." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.87.92 (talk) 23:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.160.25 (talk) 23:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)