Talk:Race and ethnicity (EEO)
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The information currently on this article is wrong. Contrary to what is being said in this article, the source that is being used as a citation for this article shows that Hispanics are being asked as a separate question from race. The EEO does not conceive race and ethnicity any differently from the US Census. This article is a content fork of that article----DarkTea© 18:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Nonsense. Which exactly sentence is "contrary"? I cut and pasted the whole section directly from EEO document (given in ref). Go sue US Gov, not me. If you say that they use the same as US census, reference, please, and I will happily delete this article myself: I take no special pride or glory in it. `'Míkka 21:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- The EEOC uses the same race and ethnicity system that the US Census uses because both are endorsed by the Office of Management and Budget. Page five says "the employer invites the employee to voluntarily self-identify their race or ethnicity" and page 4 says that Hispanic is "regardless of race", so race and ethnicity are being conceived as distinct concepts. People who report to their employer that they are a Hispanic do not have to be tallied as a race. The clarification "(Not Hispanic or Latino)" following the racial names means that if the person does not identify as a Hispanic then the employer tallies them as their race. Although the information in this article is accurate, the EEOC uses the same race and ethnicity system as the US Census, so this article is a content fork of the Race (United States Census).----DarkTea© 23:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Once again: you say "the same race and ethnicity system". Proof, please, in form of reliable source. My opinion: Census was in 2000. It used some system. The system is described in the "Census'2000". This EEO version claimed to be updated in 2007. It is described (possibly incompletely). At this moment I don't know and don't care where it originated, and I have no reason to take your word without references. I do not exclude the possibility that both US Census and EEO are based on some common governmental regulations. I will no further discuss your opinion until you deliver any proofs. I am not an expert in US race and not pretend to be. `'Míkka 23:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- The EEOC uses the same race and ethnicity system that the US Census uses because both are endorsed by the Office of Management and Budget. Page five says "the employer invites the employee to voluntarily self-identify their race or ethnicity" and page 4 says that Hispanic is "regardless of race", so race and ethnicity are being conceived as distinct concepts. People who report to their employer that they are a Hispanic do not have to be tallied as a race. The clarification "(Not Hispanic or Latino)" following the racial names means that if the person does not identify as a Hispanic then the employer tallies them as their race. Although the information in this article is accurate, the EEOC uses the same race and ethnicity system as the US Census, so this article is a content fork of the Race (United States Census).----DarkTea© 23:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
And final stroke, this article cannot be redirect to US Census, because EEO has its independent past "racial" history. `'Míkka 23:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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What is this article about? The US Census defines races. We have excellent articles on discrimination based on gender, sex, race, national origin, sexual orientation and whatever else somebody thinks is possible. At this point, I am unable to see what this article contains that is any value to Wikipedia. If anybody knows, please make some changes so it will be evident. Thanks, (Eddie 02:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC))
- Sorry. My bad. the point is that EEO amended its definitions of race and ethnicity to mathc the US Census Bureau definitions only in 2007. I forgot to add sections about the previous versions of the definitions. `'Míkka 03:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
