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[edit] Qutuz

Please read the reference before attempting to change the text. The period of the Circassian Mamelukes starts with Sultan Barkuk in the second Mameluke era. --Chapultepec 18:26, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The reference is an european text book, in most of the arabic and turkish history books, many of the Bahri sultans were circassian, Aybak, Qutuz and Baibars are among them.

I haven't seen any Turkish books regarding Qutuz as a Circassian nor the other sources.

Please read the reference I gave at the bottom of the article..

As for the Arab sources please read this one:

The Cambridge History of Islam By P. M. ( Peter Malcolm) Holt, Bernard Lewis

--Chapultepec 18:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

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Qutuz was the third turkic Sultan after Aybak and Al-Mansur Ali. Samsam22 20:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Actualy the third sultan was the nominal Sultan al-Malik al-Mansur Nour ad-Din Ali son of Aybek Some historians however consider Shajar ad-durr as the first Turkic Sultan . Samsam22 (talk) 02:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC) ______________________________________________________________

Aybak Al-Turkumani , his name says it already :) Samsam22 (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there any relation between Qutuz and Kutuzoff family in Russia ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.27.38.240 (talk) 16:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)