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[edit] "Of Greece and Denmark"

There has been a mistake in Queen Sofía's maiden name. Many people referred to her maiden name as princess of Greece and Denmark but the official website of the Royal House of Spain (www.casareal.es) named her as Princess of Greece only, you can even visit the website of the Greek royal family (www.greekroyalfamily.org) and read that they never mention Denmark or call any member of their family as prince or princess of Denmark (you will find Queen Sofia's biography too). The mistake comes as the Greek royal family had descended from the Danish royal family. Queen Sofía's mother Queen Federika was princess of Hanover; so Queen Sofía could be called properly as princess of Greece and Hannover, but the Spanish royal house only name her as princess of Greece.

According to a royal website, this apparently is how the Danish title still survives in her family: "They still bear the Danish title because King George I never renounced his rights to the Danish throne when he assumed the Greek one, though he did defer his succession rights and agreed that his younger brother's would supersede his. What view the Danish Court and government take of the Greeks' use of the Danish titles is not clear" Does anybody have a solid citation for this?Mowens35 18:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Anon user, you are wrong regarding the Hanoverian title... Those only descend in the male-line. The Danish titles descend in the male-line as well, which is why all Greek royals are also Danish royals. Prince Philip is of the same family and was born a prince of Greece and Denmark. Because the Spanish don't mention the Danish title doesn't mean that it is non-existant. Charles 19:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I would think that mentioning the Greek title only is just shorthand for the Spanish court, but, yes, that doesn't mean it is non-existant. Her sister, Irene, certainly uses both Danish and Greek titles.Mowens35 19:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

All greek royals share the title "of Greece and Denmark". This was a stipulation laid down by King Christian IX when his son Prince Vilhelm accepted the throne of Greece. See the book "Kings of the Hellenes: The Greek Kings, 1863-1974" by John van der Kiste --Mpokane 15:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct observation Mpokane. When Prince Vilhelm (George I) assumed the throne of Greece, his father wished him to have a fall-back position. He possibly feared a repetition of the deposal of King Otto. The Danish monarchy has no problem with the Greek part of the family, but the Greeks have no claim to the throne since Queen Anne Marie gave up her claim to it when she married Constantine. In Danish, a distinction is made between a Prince(ss) to Denmark and a Prince(ss) of Denmark. Only the first category can inherit the throne. The other title is regulated as well, but a prince(ss) of Denmark has no claim to the throne. Regarding the status of Constantine and Anne Marie; Queen Margrethe II consistently refer to the couple as "King" and "Queen", although her visit to Greece a few years ago seems to suggest that she has accepted that Greece has become a republic, so her use of the royal titles must be a courtesy. But the links between the two families remain strong and all descendants of George I will, from legal point of view, hold the "Prince(ss) of Denmark" title, including Queen Sofía. But again, this title has little actual content. Valentinian T / C 22:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that the Greek Royal Family lost their rights to succession in Denmark via their male-line descent when the succession was limited to the descendants of Christian X in 1953. Charles 22:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Exactly, the Greeks hold the title "Prince(ss) of Denmark", not "Prince(ss) to Denmark", and Denmark's 1953 law of succession applies to Constantine II. Anne-Marie naturally held a strong claim to the Danish throne herself, a claim which would be inherited by her children, but she surrendered these rights upon marrying Constantine, and this also applies to her descendents. Valentinian T / C 14:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Why the table of Greek monarchy? Sofia is Queen of Spain, the well table is Spanish monarchy.

I moved the page from Queen Sofia of Spain to Queen Sofía of Spain, but the talk page was left behind. I didn't know what else to do, so I added a merge request.--Cúchullain t/c 20:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted though, that Greek Royals still have a claim to British Throne. This exclude Queen Sofia, because she married to a Roman Catholic, and she converted to Roman Catholicism herself. Spanish Royals have claims to British throne if their religion is not catholic. Shame on that, because I am a catholic living in UK. --w_tanoto 08:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Princess of Asturias"?

According to the Juan Carlos article, and other sources, he never held the Asturias title in his life, either officially or as a courtesy. He was Prince Juan of Spain for many years until he added his second name and became known as Prince Juan Carlos -- again, according to his article. He was made Prince of Spain in 1969, but not Prince of Asturias, again which his article notes. So therefore, Sofía was never Princess of Asturias.Mowens35 12:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Princess of Spain

What happened in 1969 that she went from Princess Sofia of Spain to The Princess of Spain?Cjrs 79 05:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The Spanish government gave Prince Juan Carlos the title Prince of Spain, indicating his favorable position as the prospective heir to the throne after Franco either stepped down or died.Mowens35 17:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
If the title was given to Juan Carlos, it means that before that it didn't exist. The title was always Infante and Infanta of Spain. Charles 17:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vegetarians category

Queen Sofía is not a vegetarian, as she eat fish. I delete the category. --84.79.215.124 02:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Well the category "spanish vegetarian" is still there. She should be categorised as pescetarian. (just realised she has a lot in common with me)--w_tanoto 08:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Privilege to wear white

I made some changes to the notes about wearing white. I corrected the grammar and the (incorrect) link to Isabella of Castile. It is still possible to link to Isabella through this new link, so nothing's lost. Dakno 03:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Sofia, MD?

Does anyone have references to confirm the following quote from the article?

and then studied pediatrics, music, and archeology in Athens

If she "studied pediatrics", she must have gotten a medical degree first, right? Mip | Talk 17:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)